Jumbo, if you have done the ATF change, I'd like a little instruction. I do most work myself and don't think this would be hard, but is there a drain plug and a fill point? Any other "tips"? Thanks.
I have not, I had my dealer do it. (Being 'jumbo' I do not fit under my car) Here are some 'how tos' for gen 2. Reconditioning a Toyota Prius - Changing the CVT Transmission Fluid | NotPetroleum Blog Spring maintenance
Scott - in response to your original post - as you can see from the avatar we kept our 08 and purchased a 2012 five. Our 08 has about 64K on it and hasn't had any problems so far. Our daughter inherited the 08 full-time and will likely take it off to college this fall. I'm not worried about the traction battery for two reasons - 1)still under warranty, and 2) I know a lot of folks with Prii that have never had to replace it. I know several folks (on the forum and not) that have over 200K with no problems. Our 08 was a package 2 (minimal bells and whistles), but has served us well. We "fell into" the purchase of the 2012/5 because we were looking to replace our beetle convertible (cool car, but not practical - and don't get me started on repair costs). We took our daughter for her ACTs about 50 miles away from home and decided to kill some time at the local Toyota dealer. They were offering invoice, low financing, and just happened to have the car on the lot that my wife loved. No regrets. The differences for us are - faux leather, built-in nav, 17 inch wheels, heated seats, and a car that handles better in the snow. Things that are nice - LCD headlights (took some getting used to, but now we like them), sound system, bluetooth, wheels. Things that are worthless - the fog lights. It ended up making sense for us - and we got to keep our "old faithful" 2008. They never want to give you what they are worth on trade-in anyway.
Thanks Neo.. I am not worried about the battery (much). I have the 150k mile warranty on it. I offered mine to my daughter but she wants something different; I'm not done trying on this yet! I would not trade mine in, I'd sell it to a 3rd party, giving them a extended warranty for another 10k miles, a car with no issues, and reasonably low miles. I know a bit about the 2015 models, which are appealing to me, being a 4 wheel drive model. I'm planning to try and plot the mileage vs resale value taking into account the above. There must be a point where the curve shows the right time to sell, or deciding to keep the car for the life of it. Throw in repair costs increasing as the car gets older.. Now may not be the time for this but if I could get 13k for the car and plunk down another 17k and get a new car, that's not bad for a new Prius. If a year from now I have 75k miles, the extended warranty is gone, and it's still in good shape, this is another scenario. If the car is starting to need repairs at that time, yet another scenario. There may be no firm answer as to when to sell a car to maximize the selling price and minimize the cash outlay to purchase another car. I don't know when this is, but I'm looking for an answer. Thanks for the comments. Scott
I think that "window" is different for each car, but experience tells me that somewhere between 65 and 100K is probably where it starts. Our beetle was 8 years old with only 43K on it, but every time it went to the shop it seemed to be something else. Granted the car have every bell and whistle available - I think that is the key. The more it has on it, the more opportunity to fix something. Prius seem to be a bit different though. Good luck.
Had my 2005 fo seven years zero repairs out of pocket other than reg. mant. was a great car! I just had to get the plug in, only reason I sold my 2005.
I sold my '08 with 50K miles to buy a '13 PHV. If you're going for a PHV, just do it. If you're going for a regular Prius it's a tougher call.
I had a 2008 and just traded up for a 2012. I loved my 2008 and it was in great shape but was worried about repairs, battery etc. I really wasn't planning to change but got such a good deal on both my car and the 2012 that I felt I couldn't pass up. I feel the 2012 is a more solid ride and I'm glad to finally get rid of the fuel bladder. Also, my mileage is better.
After a fair amount if research, I'm staying with the 2008, no new Prius (yet) for me. I'll wait to see the 2015 four wheel drive model. Thanks for the comments. Scott Scott
That is a very helpful picture, but I notice that the linked instructions for the change claim two 10mm Allen sockets for the drain and fill. The fill port on the side requires a 10mm Allen wrench, but the drain port on the bottom requires a 24mm socket and breaker bar. Always open the fill port first before opening the drain, to make sure you can. It's not easy and there is limited space to work. I ended up putting the wrench in position and then kicking it to get it to move. Proper torque is 29 foot pounds for both, and don't forget to order new washers. I changed both of my Prii's transmission fluids at 60k miles. Changing Transaxle oil | PriusChat
I should update my avatar. It looks like we're in a similar situation. Two red Prii... We have a 2010 five (V back then ), and a 2009 that we bought earlier this month after deciding to get rid of our aging VW Golf.
Stopped by the dealer the other day to see about recall work and asked about the drain and fill for transaxle. Local dealership is recommending it at 80K and charging $85 (P & L). I also asked about the battery cost - yikes - $320 dollars. I guess I'll be ordering the yellow top and doing it myself.
Neo,... a few things, and certainly research this as all I'm doing is passing along info I've read.. I just completed my 1st transaxle ATF fluid change.. it was easy - and written up with pictures on another thread. $85 isn't bad.. I got a quote for $80 from Boulder Hybrid, but I wanted to do it myself. I paid $10 / qt for the fluid, I'm sure the dealer gets it for $5 or less. The summary write up is below. On the Yellow Top battery, I visited Boulder Hybrid, the shop, and there were 8-10, perhaps more, yellow top batteries laying around that had been pulled from Prius cars. It seems they do not work well - according to Paul, the owner. He's now recommending the Toyota battery - and yes, Ouch!! You might want to give Paul a call and talk to him about this; 303-325-7411. Here is my summary write up on the ATF change.. If I ever do this again, I will put the car on the ramps, loosen the drain bolt, take out the fill bolt and place the fill tube in the hole (other end sticking out by the inverter with the funnel attached), then lower the car to flat ground (off the ramps), place the drain bucket under the drain bolt, reach under and unscrew the loosened drain plug (you can reach is easily from under the front), let the fluid drain, put the drain plug back and tighten enough to not let the fluid leak out, fill with 3.5 qts of WS ATF, then drive the car back on the ramps, and finish filling (another .3 quarts) and tightening the bolts. This sequence prevents any movement / starting the car, while there is no ATF fluid in the car. I think I could do the above sequence in about 20 minutes now that I have done it once.
Scott - I would certainly love to do the work myself, but physical limitations related to back issues keeps me from doing a lot of things I used to do myself. I find myself hiring more and more things out as I get older and less flexible. Last time I tried to do an oil change I ended up spending the next couple of days in bed - hardly worth the savings. Thanks for the info on the yellow top. Still seems to be a popular choice on this site. Battery is not too bad and with summer coming I have a little more time to research. I think I can do that work since I don't have to get down on a creeper - getting back up is the hard part.
No problem Neo - my back is starting to give me issues too! I'd call Paul if you get a chance, mostly all he does is battery conversions, to mostly electric, and he should be able to give you some valuable info on the Yellow Top - perhaps saving you some money down the road. Your decision. I just know him from visiting his shop and talking with him for a while. Good Luck