Will the EV survive in America?

Sounds like you might own a Volt. Possible that 40kWh Model S sales will cut into the Volt when it becomes available.

 

Not all lease deals include the $7500 tax credit... example is Toyota and the Rav4 EV. The lease deals don't include the credit. Some on the myrav4ev forum are upset that Toyota does not pass this credit on to the buyer.

I also don't see anywhere on the Tesla purchase pages that a lease is offered... maybe I'm not looking in the right areas...

My specific situation with the current economy is I'm faced with losses that wipe out any tax credit savings... my accountant told me with my PiP purchase I'm not going to be able to use the $2500 2012 tax credit. Not complaining... just a reality. I bought it anyway

 

I am sure it will some, just as the 60 and 85s have cut somewhat into the sales of both the Volt and the Prius.
However, I don't think it will be a noticeable amount in any of the cases.

Unless people are really dedicated to not using oil, the Prius will remain the long distance efficiency champ. For those that don't take many long distance trips but when the do, don't want the 30-75 minute food breaks, the Volt will remain a good choice.

But for those BMW owners you see trading in for a Prius or Volt, that have 2 car households, or few long distance trips... Well I suspect you will see fewer of those

 

You do the lease through US Bank or ALLY Bank. Both kick back the tax credit in the lease terms, some in the lease payment and some in the residual value.

 

I really am surprised Toyota doesn't pass that through to the leasee.
I sure hope the bank that handles Tesla leases does.
Leases are to be available this summer as I recall.

 

Well... just learned something. Thanks! I didn't know that. Now you have me thinking about that new Rav4 EV again! Do you think that leases thru US Bank or ALLY would apply to Toyota as well?

 

Yeah... that's what was keeping me away from the Rav4 EV. Looked at it for the wife! Maybe should look at the Model S instead. This place is going to get me in trouble for sure...

 

They are in the business of making money so I don't think they care.

 

The Tesla Superchargers (IIRC) are intended to provide the ability to do roadtrips (given their location and speed) and not intended to replace home and/or workplace charging.

Yeah, the way Toyota handles tax credit on leases of the PiP and Rav4 EV sucks. We've complained about it here on some PiP threads before. Tony Williams found out when getting his Rav4 EV and I posted a link to his complaint/discovery on MNL over here.

Yeah, Tesla doesn't have leases yet.

I was surprised to learn that one can lease cars via US Bank or Ally Bank, as a consumer. Hmm...

 

Yes, while the trunk space is puny, Honda deserves credit for offering a CNG as an option for consumers.

DBCassidy

 

Yes, while the trunk space is puny, Honda deserves more ridicule for the price. It's $26,305k. They're not even trying for volume.

Think of it as a demonstration model showing that pure CNG isn't very suitable for small vehicles.

 

Maybe so, however, larger vehicles and the trucking industry would stand to gain. Eventually, small vehicles,with smaller, stronger tanks would gain market share, just a question of advancing the technology and give it some time.

DBCassidy

 

Just thought of the details with the Rav4 EV andToyota... if you want the $6000 TFS cash you have to finance with Toyota... either purchase at 0% or lease. Oh well

 

I agree nat gas has potential to moderate the elec cost increase, but there are large commitments to use energy other than nat gas which may be more expensive. Elec costs today are generally low due relying on old plants. I believe many elec company CEO's feel costs will increase as new plants are built to replace older. Anyway one thing in favor of EV, right now today, is that elec for many folks is 2-3 x cheaper than gaso per mile. But elec was not always cheap vs gaso, and for those already paying 22-25 cents/kWhr it already is true that elec is equal to gaso cost. It is of course popular to assume gaso price will keep going up and up, but if the gaso/elec cost ratio goes back closer to historic relationship, there could be a future scenario where EV subsidies are reduced and elec is more expensive. Who knows? alls we can say present time EV's have good subsidy and we are in low elec cost era for many regions (not all).

 

off-peak electricity is practically free. EV charging is not adversely affected by interruptions during peak periods. EV batteries can serve as a short-term buffer between intermittent sources, like wind and solar, as well as gas fired peaking generators. the synergy is going to make it as addicting as gasoline has been for the last 100 years.

 

Will the EV survive in America?
Good lease rates, tax incentives and discounts like these, sure!
Ford Focus EV's slow sales trigger massive incentives
Nissan Leaf becomes least expensive 5-seat EV with massive price drop
Mitsubishi i available for just $69 a month in this outrageous lease

Autoline - YouTube
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That Mitsubishi lease is through ALLY as well.

I hoped that ALLY puts together a similar lease for Tesla.