Why are there so many 2012 Plug In Prius leftovers, and...

No, you have to look at range vs price vs your usage. To me and many others the PiP was over priced until the $3500 and now $4000 discount ( + fed $2500). Everyone, has to look at their commute and figure out the costs. The Energi is looking pretty good at 32,950, then throw in some discounts and Toyota has some GOOD competition (vs a full price PiP). To me the PiP is really just a very good Prius, which by itself is a really good car.

Also, if you are looking to lease you should check out the super low volt leases or Leaf just last month was at $139 a month.

Cheapest Nissan Leaf lease around: $139/month in California

Lots of Competition.

 

Looks like some early info on the new PHV.

4th generation coming 2015! | PriusChat

In EV mode, it will have a maximum speed of around 62 mph while its range in EV mode will be around 22 miles. As far as mileage goes, we have heard that it will be rated at 112 mpg in Europe with CO2 of 49g/km.

This is interesting:
our engineers have found that NiMH batteries actually manage power delivery better when it comes to intensive consumption and recharging of electricity


Radical New Toyota Prius in the Pipeline - Motor Trend

 

Yea, it depends on how you use your EV miles. If you are going to blow it on the highway, it would be short.

However, it you only use it for around town, it can be a good an hour drive.

 

Yes I know it is totally your personal preference for car.
Alls I am saying is if you are leaning towards PiP, there have been great deals on the 2012's and these deals will go away when the 2012 supply is exhausted. None of us here knows exactly when that will happen, or if it already happened in some areas.

 

That is why the are throwing the money at them. Basically you are getting a Prius Three with heated seats and nicer alloys for $6000 additional, and BTW, you can plug it in an go 11 miles. Toyota really overestimated the demand for these.

 

In Southern California they just don't seem that motivated to deal on PiPs. That's probably good for Toyota since they must be pushing quite a few but my local Ford dealer is being very aggressive with C-Max and C-Max Energi pricing (once they finally get some Energis). I'm all for competition so even though I really like my '05 Prius and was leaning towards a PiP, I can get a C-Max Energi with all the bells and whistles (20 mile EV range, active sound canceling, self parking, automatic liftgate, etc...) for less. It's probably not going to be quite as reliable as a Prius but it's made in America which is at least something to feel good about. There's too few options and too high a starting price for the PiP in my region. Even if the 2013 PiP is the same as a 2012, model year makes a big difference in some peoples minds (for resale purposes) and the 2012 closeout deals aren't that great here.

 

for those into bells and whistles, the advanced trim adds radar cruise control, pre-collision, heads up display, led headlights (with headlight washers), softex eco leather, premium (bigger) nav screen, upgraded speakers.

 

You can manage the charging with smart phone as well. The Base model can't do that.

 

What is the Energi pricing at in CA guachodan? I didn't think they would be that aggressive right out of the gate.

We will see Toyota will start making the Prius here, because of the strong yen they could likely lower the price in America.

 

if you are willing to drive to MD, toyota is giving $5000 incentive for the advanced pip and $2500 incentive for the base model. i got my pip at passport toyota in MD. with the incentive, the base model is ~$2700 and the advanced is ~$32500. you get the federal tax credit on top of that ($2500) and if you live in PA, you get an additional $1000 from the state.

 

MD is $4000 on the base. Punch in 21401 in .buyatoyota.com

 

yes, that is correct. sorry.

at those prices, the cars are flying off the shelves in MD.

 

I was given a price estimate (not in stock yet) of $31,400 for a fully loaded C-Max Energi (self parking, automatic lift gate, etc...). For a fully load C-Max (non-Energi) it was $26,500. My local Toyota dealer said they're not offering much more than the official Toyota incentive ($1000 off and 0% financing) so even if they offer an extra $1000 above that the PiP is still $30,760 for the base model. I haven't looked at the advanced package (too pricey for what you get). I like Toyota reliability and the fact you compromise nothing with the PiP (except price) but there are a lot of thoughtful touches in the C-Max that balance out the reliability factor.

 

Does the Energi price include the tax credit? If you go to another state, you can get a Base PiP for under $25k after $4k off and $2.5k tax credit.

 

Being in California sucks because we do not get these $3500 cash back on plug in priuses, we just get a measly $1000.

 

Thanks for the info but I'm looking to lease. When TFS offered $3,500 cash back I had negotiated a 36 mo lease for $290 as their best offer. Didn't take it as I thought it was too much down for a lease. With the extra $500 TFS now offers, and the fact that the prior leases were advertised at $269 and now they show $259, I figured they could lower the price a little. Instead, they raised it to $344. If they had come in at $3,000 down (they get the extra $500 as I am leasing) and $280/$285 for 36 months, I would be driving a PIP right now instead of my 2010 Gen 3. The waiting game begins. At least I still have current Prius lease for three more months so no rush to do anything crazy right now.

 

maybe its just bad marketing. people were expecting the pip to be the toyota version of the volt or leaf, an EV car, and that isn't what it is. the pip hopefully won't have the battery degradation issues the leaf has. it certainly doesn't have the range issues the leaf has. if you are only using your car as a commuter car, and your commute is less than 40 miles, the volt is a better bet, but once the EV on the volt is exhausted, the mileage drops to 30-35, and for long drives, a standard gen 3 prius will get better mileage than a volt.

the gen 3 prius gets 50 + mpg in most situations, with little to no driver effort. many experienced gen 3 owners have the know how to get significantly higher mpg than the epa estimates (60-70 +mpg) with a standard gen 3 prius. the 12-15 ev miles, applied in the right parts of a daily commute (instead of being used up at the beginning of the commute) can send mpgs into the stratosphere compared to a non plug in gen 3. and, the pip maintains higher mpg for long trips than any other currently available plug in car in this price range. for me, thats why i got the pip rather than the volt or leaf. And, for short trips around town (which killed mpg in my 2010 prius to the point that i only used the car for commuting to/from work and for long trips), the pip uses no gas. other than my drive back to PA from the MD dealership, my pip has yet to use a drop of gasoline (im on vacation this week, but doing a lot of local driving).

the motor trend article about the 2015 redesigned pip states an estimated ev range of 22 miles, but estimated mpg of 112. clearly, toyota has a different approach than the other car companies. time will tell which approach is the best, and marketing will decide which approach sells.

 

when i priced out the items on the advanced, it was in line with the price premium. with added dealer incentives it's even more attractive, but only if the extras matter to you (drcc, pcs, led and eco-leather did for me).

 

I don't think the Energi price had the tax credit factored in, it was something about a regular rebate and a lease conquest rebate. My local dealer is expecting their first shipment in December so I'll fill in more details when they have final pricing available.

I still haven't seen a C-Max Energi in person though and the trunk space is concerning. Ford seems much more flexible on pricing than Toyota though. In California the PiP and Energi are both eligible for a $1500 credit but the Energi gets a $3750 federal credit to the $2500 for the PiP. Both also get HOV access. Toyota has a pretty well established Prius market in Southern California but if Ford stays aggressive like this they could make a killing. I love my Prius but I also like competition and Toyota hasn't had any in this space for a while. As a consumer that's great for me.

 

They have one at santa monica ford, or at least they did a few weeks ago.