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HU straight into aftermarket amp?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Audio and Electronics' started by Color Theory, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. Color Theory

    Color Theory New Member

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    I've spent at least 20 hours reading up on audio advice, mostly from this forum. I'm excited about the new Rockford and Harmon OEM integration units coming out, but I'd rather bypass the JBL amp than try to compensate for its weaknesses after the fact. Would it be possible to route the Nav/BT amp directly to the center speaker, and remove the JBL amp completely? Then I could install an aftermarket amp and speakers running off of a flat signal. What would I miss out on, besides the beeps (which I've turned off anyway)?

    Also, can anyone recommend an experienced installer in the Orange County area?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Brian.
     
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    I guess I'd need some way to control the volume, since it's normally done through the JBL amp. Hmm...
     
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    One question is what you are you trying to acheive overall?
    If you are an audiophile type and most interested in getting the purest signal possible then doing something like bypassing the JBL amp might be something to look at.
    But if you are just interested in pumping up the volume maybe you just need to tap into the rear speaker high level outputs, pass the signal through a high-to-low level converter, and add a subwoofer and amp. Also, replacing the door speakers with more efficient ones should help. This is what I have done. System rocks and I still have full control of volume through the OEM controls.
    Someone else may be able to answer your questions if you're more interested in the former. Good luck! B)
     
  4. tmorrowus

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    I think bypassing the JBL amp only makes sense if you are going to add an equalizer and volume control. I'm considering doing just that. The biggest issue I've found so far is that when changing sources e.g. from Radio to CD, I get a popping sound that I think the JBL amp muted. I'm still looking into finding and easy way to mute that (there is a mute signal in the wiring to the JBL amp).

    The dilemna is that most muting circuits I've found are not really high quality, and I hate to degrade the signal with a poor muting circuit; might as well just go through the JBL.

    Also note that the EQ that the JBL does is generally good and useful above the bass region, and I think the loudness functionality is actually useful. I may end up just leaving the JBL amp in the circuit for the loudness.
     
  5. Color Theory

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    Thanks for your help! I am of the former (audiophile) type - a CD mastering engineer. I want to get as flat a system as possible so that I can use it for reference purposes. Assuming tmorrowus's frequency chart holds true for the 2006 JBL system, and my ears seem to agree, those are some nasty bumps and dips!

    How about this for an option - is there a way I can plug in an iPod between the JBL amp and the speakers? While I'd prefer to use the in-dash CD player, I'll go all-iPod if I have to.
     
  6. tmorrowus

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    The peaks and dips in the JBL amp response above the bass region seem to be there for good reason, to do "room correction" and probably some psychoacoustic stuff. I probably need to update my document on this count; I used to think they were more evil than I do now. For a few months now my system has been just the JBL amp rear channel driving new Focal speakers up front. It sounds quite good, I think mostly because of the work I did on b-quieting the doors and using good Focal drivers.

    You can certainly plug an ipod directly into aftermarket amps if you want to avoid the Prius electronics completely. Another option is the new JL Audio switcher.

    Another reason I wanted to tap into the pre-JBL signal was so I could switch between external sat receivers, mp3 players, and the factory HU, all with flat EQ. That way I won't have to change the aftermarket EQ preset when I change sources.
     
  7. Color Theory

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    My impression from looking at the EQ graph is that it's not about psychoacoustics and room correction - it's about getting the most subjective volume from the speakers as possible. There's a big dip in the 300-500 Hz region and a huge boost in the 800-1000 Hz region to compensate - an 8 dB gain difference from 250 to 800 Hz!

    Thanks for the help and info. I'll check out that JL Audio switcher.

    But bottom line, is it possible to dump the JBL amp altogether? That would be a happy day :).
     
  8. Color Theory

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    Or better yet, I wonder if there's anyway to disable the EQ from the service menu. Has that been completely ruled out as an option?