Toyota has to catch GM in '06 or '07

I personally don't give a hoot who's number 1 or number 2 or whatever. Not all of us are obsessed with this farting contest.

What I'd like to see is more competition all around, and for factors like emissions, and fuel economy to be up front and center for a change.

Noting by the tone of the NAIAS, I'd say that the theme of the auto industry is in that direction anyway, and i'm content with that.

 

There was a thread in the main forum that was simply discussing misinformation about the Prius posted by the likes of Autoblog that you turned into a discussion about GM and Ford even though none of us PCers were talking about GM and Ford at all.

 

Malorn -
I don't post often here either, and much like you when I do it is usually an opposing viewpoint. And heck, I even own a Prius!
I can't say I agree with you, but much as many here say logic doesn't work with you, it doesn't work with them either.
Bottom line, a car is a person's second most expensive purchase and everyone needs to be happy with their decision. Since a web board tends to be enthusiastic and well-informed owners, you're never going to change anyone's mind.

My 2 cents, GM and Ford both *seem* to be at a pivotal point. I hope they make it.

 

are you saying that you are the only enlightened one and we don't know what is going on? Why can't you just understand that you can't force anyone to think like you do?
What are you trying to prove by making this poll? How relevant is it who sells more cars? If you see that Toyota claims that they do and you don't agree with that, how good is it for you to prove anything here? I really don't care who makes more cars. It's not about the quantity but the quality and future vision. But I know you don't get it because you are blinded by being "patriotic" and faithful to GM.
How many people have you converted to your religion yet? The ones who at least partially agreed with you, still do, and the ones who never did still don't. So, what have you accomplished?

 

Active Fuel Management, cylinder deactivation. Not bad.

We'll just have to see what they can do with their hybrid technology, whether or not the Tahoe Hybrid will manage to lower emissions dramatically. Being a full hybrid, that should be a possibility, considering all of the full hybrids from Ford and Toyota up until today manage SULEV or AT-PZEV.

 

It's not a mechanical system...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SULEV
It's a classification of emissions based on hydrocarbons and smog forming emissions.

It's based on the CARB classfication system...
LEV
ULEV
SULEV
etc

 

See here:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/emissions/EPAcert.htm

 

I don't think that's the point at all. At least not for me. By us not supporting American based companies, we are setting up our economy in a bad way. I'm no economic expert, but it seems to me that if we send all our cash overseas, that just can't be good. And that *is* what we're doing.

I jumped in the middle of this, and I really don't care to read the whole thread, so I may have missed something here. Just know that if any of the big three go under, we are in for a world of hurt. BTW, that doesn't make me by their product, but I believe we 're in for a problem.

 

Even if I believe the same I will not blindly buy inferior product just because it is made in the USA. Why don't these companies do something to make their product desirable and I will buy their product. Why can't they see that the economy in this country is sinking and it is THEIR fault. Why can't they take the responsibility for it? They are just going to keep producing shit and you are going to clap so they will just keep producing crap. Why is the consumer blamed for the problems?

And yes you missed a lot by not reading this thread and many other Malorn's threads.

 

Don't you think you should be addressing this to the government, media if you think the are blind and corrupt.

 

Perhaps you didn't read the part of my message where I said that the economics at play still don't make me buy their product.

I also said that I don't agree with him, but I understand.

By not being aware of the facts, you're just kidding yourself. Doesn't mean you have to do anything about it, but you should be aware.

For me anyway, there are a lot of reasons automakers are in trouble. I honestly believe the miss the boat, are late to the party, etc etc. I recently had a Ford product and it was no better, no worse than our Prius at about the same "as new" cost. I got rid of it b/c it didn't suit my needs.

 

I read that part of your message. I understand what Malorn is saying (even though I think some of it is complete garbage). I am aware of the facts. What you are not aware of is that Malorn is here to stir controversy, tell people that GM is so much better than foreign automakers and people are stupid to buy foreign cars. You don't know that because you didn't read his other posts.

Another reason GM is not doing well, producing cars that don't suit people's needs, in addition to quality problems.
You had a luck with your Ford good for you, I didn't. Brand new Taurus and the power windows were back to be repaired every 2 months or so after one year. Had a Pontiac which had holes so when I went over some water, I had water in my car. Was told they couldn't find the holes. They weren't esthetically pleasing either, in and out. Yes, these little stupid details. Sorry, I had bad experiences and I am not going back.