Theoretical Estimate of EV range "consumed" at various speeds and grades

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  1. miscrms

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    Ok, this started out as a reply in another thread discussing possibility of using google maps elevation data to optimize EV routes, but got a little out of control so I'm giving it its own thread in case anyone finds it interesting :) Its very first order, very theoretical, and based on lots of simplifying assumptions, but it may be interesting anyway ;)

    One way to get a first order estimate of the impact of a certain grade on EV range is to use an EV Calculator such as this one, which happens to have a 2004 Prius model built in. No doubt the model accuracy could be improved, but I'm just trying to get a quick estimate of relative performance.
    EV Calculator

    The parameters I entered are:
    Vehicle: 2004 Prius
    Motor: Warp 9
    Battery: Thundersky
    Controller: Zilla 1k
    Adjustments/Voltage: 80 (4.4kW Prius Pack over 55 Ah Thundersky capacity)
    Adjustments/Lbs Removed: 343 (yields final weight = original weight of 2890 lbs)
    Adjustments/Misc Added Lbs: 0
    Adjustments/Incline = Wind = 0

    For a baseline this yields the following flat driving characteristics, which look somewhat reasonable:
    Speed -- HP Required -- Wh/mi -- Range
    20mph ----- 3.43 ------ 149.7 -- 24.5 mi
    40mph ----- 9.10 ------ 170.3 -- 17.2 mi
    60mph ---- 19.26 ------ 280.7 -- 11.1 mi

    Setting incline under Adjustments to various percent grades gives an idea of the additional power required, for example here is the 40mph case:
    Incline -- HP Required -- Wh/mi -- Range
    0 ----------- 9.10 ------ 170.3 -- 17.2 mi
    1 ---------- 12.49 ------ 273.0 -- 12.0 mi
    2 ---------- 15.87 ------ 346.0 -- 9.1 mi
    4 ---------- 22.65 ------ 489.5 -- 6.1 mi
    8 ---------- 36.19 ------ 767.3 -- 3.5 mi

    The HP calculation is likely to be the most accurate, as I believe its only based on the vehicle characteristics. The Wh/mi and Range bring the motor, battery and controller into the picture which add more variables that are not very well modeled in this example.

    Looking at the delta, it seems like the HP requirement at 40mph goes up quite linearly with percent grade.
    From 0 to 1%, its 3.39 hp, 1% to 2% its 3.38 hp, 2% to 4% its 6.78 hp or 3.39 hp per % grade, and from 4% to 8% its 13.54 hp or 3.385 hp per % grade. This should work both ways, meaning a 1% downhill grade should use 3.38 hp less power, and a ~3% downhill grade you could coast indefinitely down at 40mph assuming you are gliding with no regen resistance. This agrees with the calculator output if you put in negative incline numbers.

    So estimated power required at 40mph = 9.1 + (%grade)*3.39 hp, or expressed as a percent, power required = 100% + 37.3%*(% grade) where '+' % grade = uphill, and '-' equals downhill.

    At a given speed/rpm of MG2, power is proportional to torque, which is proportional to current, which is proportional to electrical W, which is proportional to Wh/mi, so you could also say Wh/mi = 100% + 37.3%*(% grade). The calculated Wh/mi is a little different than this, but I think we can chalk that up to the second order effects of the modeled motor/battery/inverter characteristics which do not match the actual motor/battery/inverter.

    This is equivalent to saying that each Mile on a given uphill grade at 40mph uses 1mi + .37mi * (% grade) of EV range, or on a downhill grade 1mi - 0.37mi * (% grade).

    From the google elevation data for a given leg, you could calculate % grade as the altitude change divided by the distance over which it changes. From that you should be able to calculate the affect of various routes on your EV range.

    Note that this effect is speed dependent, because even thought the incline force is constant to the first order, it varies as a % of total force required (due to air resistance, etc). To scale vs. speed, we can use the EV calculator to calculate the new % hp factor for each speed by using the flat and 1% grade values for each speed.

    Speed -- Flat HP -- 1% Grade HP -- % increase
    20mph --- 3.43 ------- 5.12 -------- 49.3%
    30mph --- 5.84 ------- 8.38 -------- 43.5 %
    40mph --- 9.10 ------ 12.49 -------- 37.3%
    50mph -- 13.48 ------ 17.71 -------- 31.4%
    60mph -- 19.26 ------ 24.34 -------- 26.4%
    70mph -- 26.73 ------ 32.66 -------- 22.2%

    For each speed, you can substitute in the new % for the .37 mi in the formula above. For example at 60mph for a 1% grade, each mile would burn about 1.26 miles of EV range. Now that makes it seem like its better to drive uphill faster, but bear in mind you would expect to have less EV range at a higher speed to begin with. You can also estimate that from this data in the same way although you also have to compensate for the fact that at a different speed you cover a different distance in a given time. If your EV range is estimated based on an average of 40mph, you could estimate the impact of various speeds as follows:

    Speed -- Flat HP -- % time inc - EV mile
    20mph --- 3.43 ------- 100% ---- -31.2%
    30mph --- 5.84 ------- 33% ----- -14.6%
    40mph --- 9.10 -------- 0 % ------ 0.00%
    50mph -- 13.48 ------ -20% ------ 18.5%
    60mph -- 19.26 ------ -33.3% ---- 41.2%
    70mph -- 26.73 ------ -42.9% ---- 67.7%

    So for example you could say that driving a mile at 60mph uses 1.41 miles of EV range compared to driving the same distance at40mph. Putting those two together, you could say that driving up a 1% grade at 60mph would use 1 + .26 + .41 = 1.67 mi of EV range relative to 40mph flat driving, whereas driving 40mph on the same grade would have only used 1.37 mi.

    So to summarize all that ;) and acknowledging that this is all just a rough theoretical estimate wiyth lots of assumptions and simplifications which may help make some sense of real world observations:

    EV miles "penalty" for various speeds relative to 40mph, IE how many "extra" miles of EV range are consumed (or gained) per mile at the following speeds:
    Speed -- penalty per mile
    20mph -------- -0.31 mi
    30mph -------- -0.15 mi
    40mph --------- 0.00 mi (reference)
    50mph --------- 0.19 mi
    60mph --------- 0.41 mi
    70mph --------- 0.67 mi

    Additional EV Miles "penalty" for each percent uphill grade, or "bonus" for each percent downhill grade:
    Speed -- penalty/bonus per mile
    20mph -------- 0.49 mi
    30mph -------- 0.43 mi
    40mph -------- 0.37 mi
    50mph -------- 0.31 mi
    60mph -------- 0.26 mi
    70mph -------- 0.22 mi

    So to calculate the effective EV miles used on a given percent grade at a given speed, you'd use the formula:

    EV miles consumed per mile = 1 + speed penalty + grade penalty (or - for downhill "bonus")

    For example, a 4% uphill grade at 60mph would use 1 + 0.41 + 4*0.26 = 2.45 miles of EV range per mile. A downhill grade of 3% at 40mph would use 1 + 0 - 3*0.37 = -.11 mi, meaning you could essentially glide down this hill without using any EV range.

    Rob
     
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    Tell me about it ;)
     
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    so the next step is to overlay the calculations onto openstreetmap.org and get a new map with ev distances rather than miles :)
     
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    sounds like a job for p/k!
     
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    FWIW, Tony Williams did a range chart for the Leaf. :)
    My Nissan Leaf Forum • View topic - Range Chart in PDF and now for iPhone, also 85% capacity

    "gids" are a value that can be read on the CANbus on a Leaf since the Leaf has no % SoC indicator. People have been using this as a proxy for/as a more grandular SoC gauge than the 12 segment graph and GOM (guess-o-meter, the supposed distance to empty). 281 gids supposedly == full battery. The guy that created the meter's handle is garygid, so people named the unit gid, in his honor.
     
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    werkin on it:cool:
     
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    Not sure I agree with your uphill/downhill calculations. I have a steep hill that I go up to park at work. I use about 1 mile of EV range to get up the hill, which is only about 300 yards. When I go leave and coast down the hill, I only pick up about 2/10 ths of range.
     
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    for a point of reference ... I drive an 20 mile route into town, generally downhill, 800 ft elevation change. Going in consumes 3.3kwh, the return route consumes 6.6kwh.

    I have tried different return routes, slightly more mileage and different speeds, but the same kwh.

    the return route may be burdened with a bit more AC load as it is usually 20F warmer. It is a 30-45 min trip depending on time of day traffic.
     
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    a friend just sent me this link. you map your route and it calculates the EV consumption for the route. I just plugged in my route from above and it was on the spot, both directions.

    www.jurassictest.ch/GR/

    PS. The Volt is listed as the Opel Ampera in Europe.
     
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    interesting, it needs to be expanded to utilize other EV's like the PIP, also needs to be available in usa
     
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    I put in my usa route and it works.
     
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    i tried putting my usa address in and got no response.
     
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    patience.... give it a minute and it will.
     
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    15 minutes has elapsed and still no response
     
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    If I just sit there and keep doing the same thing, nothing happens, then by rereading the instructions and wala! it works! Now how about getting these guys to add the PIP
     
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    and miles instead of km
     
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    Ok, that's an interesting data point. kWh used is probably a more reliable way to look at it than actually trying to use EV range differences. The calculations above use a fixed flat 40mph EV mile as the reference which is useful for comparison, but may be difficult to relate to the complex calculation the PiP is using to dynamically estimate EV range. Note that this calculation assumes pure EV drive, as this is the total power required. This is likely not possible on a stock PiP for all speeds/inclines.

    All that being said, here's a wag at testing the calculations above against this data.

    800' over 10 miles is about a 1.5% average grade. As the equation is linear, an average grade calculation should be accurate as long as it doesn't encompass both rises and drops.

    - If average speed is 60mph, you'd expect to be burning about 1 + 0.26 * 1.5 (grade) = 1.39 times as much power on the uphill relative to flat, and 1 - 0.26 *1.5 = 0.61 time as much power on the downhill relative to flat. 1.39 / 0.61 = 2.27 times as much power uphill vs. downhill, compared to the observed 6.6kWh / 3.3 kWh = 2.0.
    - At 50mph it would be 1 + 0.31 * 1.5 = 1.465 and 1 - 0.31 * 1.5 = 0.535, for a ratio of 1.465 / 0.535 = 2.74.
    - At 40mph it would be 1 + 0.37 * 1.5 = 1.555 and 1 - 0.37 * 1.5 = 0.445, for a ratio of 1.555 / 0.445 = 3.49.

    From the description though, it sounds like the ICE is running at least during the uphill drive. From the observation that changes in speed result in changing mpgs, but not kWh, it sounds like the MG2 may be maxed out even at the lowest speed tested. In that case the ICE would be basically making up the rest of the power ratio difference. Theoretically with the mpg data we could estimate total power to see how it correlates, but an easier case would be one where both the downhill and uphill drive can be completed without the ICE.

    Rob
     
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    The entire drive is done in EV mode, without the ICE. It's a Volt.