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Cylinder misfire P300?

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  1. nugie

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    Hello, not sure of the exact code but it's P300 or perhaps P0300? General misfire when the engine light comes on. This error has been occurring almost daily, sometimes it pins it down to cylinder 3. My wife's nephew who is a mechanic says it could be the sensor, but I have only been getting around 30 mpg though the car seems to run alright. I did go ahead and get the plugs replaced, as I was told it could be a bad plug but the error light still comes on as before and the mileage appears no better. What could this be? I am retired on fixed income and dread the very idea of an expensive diagnostic & repair session with a dealer service. Their solution for about everything wrong has been to replace the gas tank (three times already in the life of the car) a $700 job. Last time that did not fix what was going on with the car..
     
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    DTC P0300 is a general misfire code. A specific misfire code would be P030x where x is the cylinder number. So if cyl 3 has the misfire you would expect to see DTC P0303.

    A misfire might be caused by a bad spark plug, a bad spark igniter (which sits on top of the plug) or possibly a bad fuel injector providing fuel to the cylinder. Less commonly, a wiring harness (or connector) fault or a bad engine ECU might cause the problem.

    30 mpg is pretty bad fuel economy for a Prius so it is reasonable to continue to try to figure out the root cause of the problem. Not to mention that the unburnt fuel is damaging the catalytic converter and diluting your engine oil, which will lead to very expensive repairs to the cc and the engine itself, in the future.
     
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    Replacing the gas tank, are you serious? I suppose if that is the only option in town, you are stuck, but definitely go somewhere else if possible.

    The most common problem is a dirty throttle air intake. The throttle bore gets really dirty because the PCV hose connects above the plate. This creates turbulence, which may cause poor economy, and can cause the plate to stick shut.

    Ask nephew mechanic to pull the air cleaner off, clean the MAF sensor with CRC MAF cleaner, and clean the throttle bore and plate with throttle body or carb cleaner.
     
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    I had a vehicle one time that caused me to chase a misfire diag code. Ended up being a head gasket was rolled and no compression. Do a compression test!!! I replaced injectors, plugs, wires, etc. and everyone over looked doing a compression test. Knew right away and learning more looking hind sight.
     
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    +1 on Seilerts advice. That will probably fix it. It is simple and cheap to try.
     
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    Thank you all for your replies so far. I have noticed something really strange. The last several times I drive the car (I go directly out to a stretch of highway), for the first 20 minutes I get near-normal mileage, 40 mpg+. Then it drops off now to worse than ever, about 24 mpg for the remainder of the driving session.

    Unfortunately my wife's nephew is not local, so he can't help with any hands on. My friendly corner garage says they can at least pin down what is wrong for $70 so I'll likely go that route.

    I put in an additive (bad idea?) hoping it is a dirty injector or something like that. I was getting an unusual "system too lean" error after that. But now it's back to general misfire but I haven't been reading or erasing them so that the mechanic will have something to go on.
     
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    For those of you following along at home, this is an excellent example of how you can't simply plug a scan tool into a car and have it tell you what component is faulty.

    If this were a Chevy Cavalier, and it presented with Too Lean, then I would immediately think fuel pump. This is probably why nugie has had the fuel tank replaced 3 times.

    So it is possible that the fuel pump went bad, but in the vast majority of cases, the pump last the life of the car, so if it keeps going bad, then there is a faulty pressure regulator. A fuel pump problem based on that should fail within the warranty period, however (1 year, unlimited miles).

    But consider all the facts, and infer the possible problems. nugie's most recent post has some key information. There are codes for lean burn, misfire, and poor fuel economy. To me, there are only two possible causes: the throttle bore is so dirty that the throttle plate is stuck open and/or the motor that controls it is miscalibrated; or, the upstream oxygen sensor is faulty, causing the fuel trims to go very rich, which leads to fouled plugs, misfiring, and poor fuel economy. I lean towards the latter, but it could possibly be even some other cause, like a problem with the coolant temperature sensor. At least, hopefully, the local garage will have enough to go on here to help nugie out.
     
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    I would look into the stupid cat exhaust carbon diverter thing that rusts and the vacuum can't move it. You should work that with a hand brake vacuum pump and feel it move with your fingers. Then I'd check the OBD-II readings for the O2 sensors. Change the plus maybe and clean throttle. Also check the voltages on the throttle valve motor there is a M+ and M-, they must be opposed to each other, like one looks like a 90% duty cycle and when it goes to +12V, the other signal looks like 10% duty and goes to 0V.
     
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    Am updating, reporting on action taken. Finally broke and had my trusty garage check it. I don't use the local dealer of "replacing he gas tank is the solution, even when it isn't" fame. The code that predominated when my trusty folks read it was the "system too lean" one. They figure the leanness was the cause of the misfires. Found "gas leaking from around the injectors" said replacing the injectors the way to go. $900 gone and a few days later the light hasn't come back on and mileage (at least highway) has a 10 mpg boost from around 30 to over 40. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that was the ONLY thing going on.
     
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    Interesting. Where was the gas leaking to? Did you smell gasoline fumes? Was this a fire hazard?
     
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    Just crossed the 140,000 mile mark. Getting 40+ mpg again. Wonderful, for now. What else major is going to go wrong before the "life of the car," wassat, 180 thou? is reached? Priuses (or Priapuses, as our deaf friend in Colorado who owns one likes to callem) are for movie stars or other well-loaded with bankster supplied fiat folks; for the "car of the people", it may turn out that a mule was a better idea. Yes, my pot IS cracked. So is the Liberty Bell. 'Nuff said.