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Traction battery acting up... impending failure?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by isucompositeur, May 26, 2012.

  1. isucompositeur

    isucompositeur Junior Member

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    Hey folks...

    So, I'm in the middle of a cross-country road trip, from Nebraska to LA. About 500 miles into my drive today, I notice the car is laboring a lot trying to pass/go uphill, so I switch over to the battery display, and see that the battery is at 2 bars. It was windy, I had my air conditioning on, and it was starting to get hilly in the mostly uphill direction (just after crossing into Wyoming from Nebraska), so I figured that was the issue.

    I needed a break anyway, so at the next town, I stopped and filled up the tank, and drove around town a bit to get a little stop-and-go going and get the traction battery charged, which I did, up to 6 bars (top of the blue range). I headed back toward the interstate, and was at 5 bars when I hit the onramp. By the time I was back on the interstate going full-speed, I was back down to two red bars again.

    There were no indicator lights, so I kept going with it, being careful to try and not let it sit in the red range (slowing down to cut the wind resistance). My top speed was 75mph during this stretch, but I would slow to ~60 to get the traction battery out of the red when necessary. At one point I had several minutes of steep (5%) downward grade, during which I took my foot off the accelerator and let the engine charge the battery to full... however, once I started in the uphill direction (not nearly as steep), it only took a couple of minutes for it to get back down to 3 bars.

    After that point, I never broke 4 bars again at all when I was on the interstate.

    I thought the heat of the day + possibly working the car hard and long may have caused the battery to overheat a bit, and to the credit of that hypothesis, near the end of the drive when the temperature had dropped from mid-80s to mid-40s, the traction battery seemed to do much better in-town than it had an previous in-town stops.

    The last disturbing thing was, right at the very end of our trip when we were driving slowly trying to find our hotel in town, whenever I would hit the brake pedal, there would be a short squeal right at the beginning of braking. I didn't try and pin it down much further than knowing that at that point the friction brake should not be engaging... honestly, I just wanted to give the poor guy a rest.

    The car JUST had it's 80000 mile service done, and I asked them to do a careful inspection in anticipation of this trip; they said everything checked out. The 12v battery is <6 months old. So, my question is... does this sound like a possible battery overheat? If that was the case, would I not get a check engine light or something of that nature? Could there be an issue with my transaxle? (Batt seemed to charge fine when I wasn't fighting wind and hills)? Or, am I staring face-first into a full-on traction battery failure right in the middle of my long road trip?
     
  2. JimN

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    Most of your story sounds like normal mountain driving. Uphill & high speed will drop the battery bars pretty fast. Were you still going uphill on the Interstate when the battery was at 2 bars? What was the FE for this tank/trip? How does it compare to your average?
     
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    Was your Inverter coolant pump replaced under the TSB Recall?
    If not was your VIN on the recall list?
     
  4. isucompositeur

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    Yeah, I noticed it right around Cheyenne when I was trying to pass some trucks, going uphill, with the wind against me.

    For the speed I was going, the trip MPG is pretty close to normal (42MPG after 900 miles today, normally 42-45@75-80MPH, especially considering how hard the wind was blowing almost the entire time, which always kills my mileage.

    I figured as much about the mountain driving being the culprit; the only thing that doesn't really fit that for me is that the battery just seemed to be discharging really fast even when the conditions didn't seem to be terribly taxing; I've certainly never seen a 3-bar drop just from an on-ramp before.
     
  5. isucompositeur

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    I'm only finding a reference to a recall for 04-07 Priuses, mine is '08. Perhaps I'm missing it...

    Also... am I correct in thinking that an indicator light would appear any time a code is thrown? I.E. if I'm not seeing check engine or triangle of doom, the car hasn't thrown any codes for HV battery overheat or failure?
     
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    How about the battery cooling fan? It is pretty quiet, and I have never heard mine. But if the battery fan is working hard to keep things cool, it should be audible. Also, many posts here about cleaning the fan, and keeping the vent opening clear of stuff, blankets, etc.
     
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    You are thinking way too much about this. Hill driving and high speed driving makes the battery go up and down. If you are driving with silly traffic and not constant power, then you will drain the battery. On my highway drives I routinely drain the battery to 2 bars and it takes a while to charge back up.

    Just drive it. If you are driving around town at low speed and come to a stop, and that charges the battery gauge fully, then you have a bad battery. Pretty much anything else, is just worry.
     
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    very similar to what happened to my prius this weekend, but in FL no hills.
     
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    FWIW, the 2008 came with the "new and improved" inverter coolant pump
    as OEM; the improvement was a bearing related thing.

    Hills and wind in the face... the ICE/HV battery combo have to work harder.
    And then there's probably extra vacation related weight to lug up the hills.

    The only real answer is to slow down, use less total energy per mile.

    Go slower going up hill, use the truck lane.
    Go as fast as safety, your nerves, and local constabulary allow going down hill.
    Converting potential energy (altitude) into kenetic energy (velocity) is the most
    efficient way to use a hill. Using brakes when you need to is OK, they convert kenetic
    energy into electrical then chemical energy in the battery. There are conversion losses.
    It comes with the hybrid package.

    There have been repeated posts over time of flatlanders seeing for them strange
    HSD things in the mountains. It's not necessarily a pretty sight. But, it is typical.

    Enjoy your trip.
     
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    have you taken it to a dealer?