frustration, question, no service

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by lilcapn, Dec 19, 2005.

  1. lilcapn

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    arrived at work today in my recently purchased 2005 prius (4 weeks old, 1100 miles on it) at around noon, left work at 6 and returned to a car that was honking repeatedly -- kind of like what i imagine an alarm to sound like but not very loud.

    the car had no power (had to use the physical key), and i realized i had left the lights on and assume that this drained it (and that maybe when the battery dies the alarm goes off or something?). so with an office mate's jumper cables and car tried to jump it, to no avail (we were following the instructions in the manual).

    a couple things happened:

    -- it was extremely hard to get a good connection on the positive terminal of the prius battery (we were using front, not rear battery)

    -- when it seemed like we DID make a good connection, there was a clicking sound coming from the battery which we hoped meant it was charging (i don't think it was)

    -- the green light on the "Park" button would flash for awhile, and then not

    -- the 'theft protection' light in the dash (red car with a key in it) would flash

    -- when i would try the power button it would sometimes turn red, sometimes do nothing.

    never did we get the car to start. i called the dealership where i bought it a month ago, no one seemed to have any freaking idea what to do -- no one could talk me through the process or offer a helpful "the light flashing means X" or "that light flashing doesn't mean anything" or "stop trying to charge it, it's definitely dead" -- they seemed to have no knowledge or experience other than to say "try to get a better connection on the battery, and if that doesn't work i guess we'll have to tow it in."

    this was an extremely frustrating experience trying to get the car running, standing out in the cold for an hour and a half, made only worse when the guy started to say "well you might need to buy a whole new battery, and it's your fault for leaving the lights on... and we can't get you another car to drive tonight because we're about to leave and go home ourselves" etc.

    ANYWAY typical frustrating car stuff except i don't know what to believe since i'm new to the Prius world and the people i bought it from seem to be too!

    so, question:

    -- could i have drained the battery by leaving the lights on for 6 hours, and drained it to the point where i need a whole new battery?!?

    -- it seems that in my experience with this car, the lights go off automatically when you power off the car; am i wrong about that?

    -- could it be somehow related to the theft protection system and not the lights?

    anyone with insight into this who can answer me would be much appreciated! i anticipate trouble when dealing with the service people tomorrow if my 4-week old car all of a sudden needs a major investment and they say it's my responsibility... unless maybe it really IS my fault?

    thanks for any help!
     
  2. efusco

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    If the car was turned OFF (easy to leave it in ACC or IG ON if you have the SKS) even if the lights were turned to "ON" it wouldn't have drained the battery that quickly as the lights automatically turn off when you turn off the car.

    If you have an '05 you should have free Roadside assistance who should have been able to come out and try to give you a jump, or a tow if necessary.

    This is hard to diagnose over the internet. I'd have probably gotten in the car, pushed the Park button first then tried to shut down by pushing the Power button without brake, then try again to get into READY with the foot on the brake. If it was truely a dead battery issue it certainly wouldn't start.

    I think it may have been a dead battery, for some reason. But as you said, getting that good contact to jump can be a challenge...I remember another forum member (?Tideland?, Jayman?...can't remember exactly) with a very similar experience and difficulty jumping it, but once the tow guy came he clipped on and it roared (as much as a Prius can) to life.

    I suggest picking up one of the rechargable jumper boxes that also has an air pump built in. It can save your bacon in a situation like this.

    Hope you get it all worked out, be sure to let us know what you learn.
     
  3. TonyPSchaefer

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    It's possible that my entire thread was lost with the server crash. Short version: been there, done that.

    For me, it was the neighbor late at night and I had to wait until the morning before I could get a jump. Short chirps, one low and one high. Non responsive anything. Couldn't lock the doors but wasn't concerned because Priapus wasn't going anywhere.

    The connector under the hood is difficult to get to, you're right. The guy who came to jump Priapus used a huge screw driver to make contact with the screw. When Priapus came back to life, the alarm went off like there's no tomorrow. Once he was back up, he was back like nothing happened.

    In the end, I could not recreate any scenario in which I could leave anything on. Therefore, something else seemed to cause the battery to drain. But like any other car, once the 12v gets recharged, no prob.
     
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    I don't have a Prius yet. But with all the battery talk, I was considering getting one of those 'jumper boxes'.
    Is that a common accessory amoung Prius owners?
    Any suggestions on make or model? I think I saw one at Costco for about $50.
     
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    thanks for the quick reply; the car SHOULD have been off, but i remember what i did when i left the car upon arriving at work (ie before it died):
    i left a cd in the cd player that i wanted. i walked back to the car, opened the driver's side door (sks opened it), leaned in and hit the power button, ejected the cd, then hit the power button TWICE til i saw no lights on in the dash or elsewhere, closed the door & locked the car.

    in the process of doing this, i suppose the car could have been left in a mode other than totally "off" but i THOUGHT i had it completely off.

    maybe i should stop using the SKS if it's this easy to drain the battery.

    i asked the guy from the dealership (which was only about 8 minutes away, making their lack of help even more frustrating) about the roadside assistance and he just kind of blew it off... i had a ride there waiting for me so i took it but maybe if i hadn't been late to relieve the babysitter & put the kid to bed i might have tried calling them.

    who makes the "jumper boxes" you mention?

    if the battery was drained, is the guy on the phone right that i could need a whole new battery? seems kind of insane that i own a car wherein leaving the lights on could result in something so drastic... but maybe i don't.

    thanks again!



     
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    When I had my experience, I called Toyota Roadside and reported the car as dead. I said NOTHING indicating that I might have left it on or that I might have done anything that could have caused this thing. I learned my lesson once with an insurance company.

    However, if what's happening to your car is the same that happened to mine, you do not need a new anything. Though you will think three times every time you shut down your car for the next month.
     
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    Maybe your theft alarm activated the horn and it beeped for six hours and ran the battery down?
    If you left a door ajar the ceiling light would stay on and drain the battery. I left the ceiling light turned on in my car all night once and it started right up in the morning, so I don't know if 6 hours would be long enough to drain the battery so much it wouldn't start.
     
  8. lilcapn

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    yes! you are so right -- what was i thinking, i don't know why i even mentioned it but i won't again.
     
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    I bet it was in IG-On after you ejected that CD.

    And no reason to stop using the SKS, I bet you'll never do anything like this again. It's easy enough to see if the car is on or not.

    You can get the jumper boxes anywhere...usually around $50...got mine at Sam's Club, but lots of places have them...quite handy. Never had to use mine to jump my car...did have to jump my wife's Ford Windstar once and my Expedition a handful of times (the battery went bad and it sits idle a long time.

    But there's no reason you need a new battery unless they test your current one and it shows as bad...if so it should be covered under warranty.
     
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    Oh by the way, Lilcapn. Welcome to Priuschat!
    Sorry we had to meet under these circumstances.
     
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    I've run down the battery twice: once from leaving the door ajar so the ceiling light was on all night, and the other from leaving the radio on (nice weather, windows down) while (and after, for a couple hours) I was detailing the bottom panels (removing tar). Battery bounced back quickly both times.

    I've had no trouble clipping on and jump-starting.

    I would not be happy about a dealer who "blew off" Roadside Assistance, especially if he was unwilling to help.
     
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    In the classic Prius one did not need to "power up" to eject a CD - has this changed?
     
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    thanks! and for all the quick replies, very reassuring, and much more helpful than the guys at the dealership.

    until now, and likely after this incident is over, i'm completely psyched about the car.

    still working on getting the best mileage i can, but i've been reading up on that on this site...
     
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    I've gotten into the habit of locking the car with the outside door-handle button. That way, if something's not right (door ajar, ig-on, SKS inside) the doors won't lock and the car sounds a single warning tone, instead of two short beeps. I don't really use the remote lock, but I guess it works the same way.

    I wonder if you should report your dealer's attitude about roadside assist to someone in Toyota Corp. It seems you shouldn't be liable for any damage that may have occurred (if it did), or for towing. My salesman made it a point to show me the roadside assist brochure with the number to call if I needed it.

    Please let us know how it goes! I'm especially interested in whether the dealer is going to hand you a bill. Maybe I'm wrong here (my warranty info's out in the cold car), but if the car's under warranty, they should take care of everything!!

    Off-topic side note: My insurance company started to add roadside assist on my policy when I upgraded to full coverage. Luckily I caught it and had them take it off. Only $3 a month -- but if I put that in the gas tank, that's another 65-75 miles for me.....

    ;)
     
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    The batteries I've drained were never the same after. The Prius' 12V battery faces a relatively small load so it should fare better, but be prepared to replace it sooner rather than later.
     
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    Sounds from your description like you left your headlights on. They only turn off automatically if the door is closed when they come on.
     
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    This is probably a "well duh!" question, but since you have sks, have you tried sticking the fob in the key slot in the dash before trying to jump it?

    The prius' 12V battery is really small because it never really does much. It justs starts the computers so it's big brother can take over. It dosn't suprise me at all that a bit of current draw drains them. Toyota seems to like the premise of "if it's broke, replace it," which is seldom the most cost efficient plan. But, it saves them from trying to actually diagnois a problem. You might try your frendly local auto parts store. They typically have powerfull 12V chargers and diagnostics. They are more likely to tell you if the battery is really shot, or can be recharged. You might need to haul the battery out of the car for them, though.
     
  19. TonyPSchaefer

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    I will not speak for LilCapn, but when I was dealing with the same situation, I shoved the fob in the dashboard to see if that changed anything. It did not have any impact on the condition of the car. On the other hand, I couldn't get it out once it was in. That really freaked me out. I finally managed to remove it, but was pressing buttons and trying things in various order and can not remember any specific actions that facilitated its removal.

    Also, I also often lock the doors via the exterior touch buttons. But the interior door buttons works just as well. If there's an issue, the doors will automaticaly unlock and depending on the issue, the warning tone will sound.
     
  20. lilcapn

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    strange news from the dealership this morning -- they took a jump box out to the car in order to drive it into the service area, but before they could jump it THEY STARTED THE CAR WITH NO PROBLEM....!?!?

    still waiting to hear back what their diagnosis is. obviously last night i spent a couple hours trying every combination of things -- fob in the slot, sks, foot on the brake, foot off the brake, standing on my head, etc to try to get the car on, with nothing happening at all.

    it makes me think, unless somehow these things recharge themselves, that we HAD actually charged it but that the Theft Protection somehow wasn't re-setting properly post-charge, and THAT, not the dead battery, was keeping me from starting it up.

    we'll see when they get back to me with further analysis.

    richard -- if my battery is indeed never the same again, how soon would you say i'd need to replace it? i don't even remember how much these batteries cost, though i know i asked the dealer when i was buying the car...