And there is a reason for that: Didn't your mother tell you to always eat at a crowded restaurant? The reason? The food is GOOD you can tell by the crowd, the empty places are empty for a reason: no one likes the food, or in this case, trusts GM for their "Generation 1" product. I know my past GM Vans have had issues, and GM is attempting to leave their "former" customers out in the cold (the Chapter 11 GM produced cars). Yep, there's a reason you will be able to buy a Volt more easily
Coach, Have you been monitoring the Volt pages to see what issues the owners are running into with the car. I'm assuming you are, heck, you are monitoring the Prius site for the same reason. Hope you don't have to wait too much longer for your car. BTW, I got to sit in one of the Lexus CT200's, what a NICE little car. The back seat would be a challenge (The fellow who's car I sat in had the driver's seat back (likely all the way) and I would not have been able to get into the back seat (there was less than 6" between the front of the rear seat to the back of the front seat. I couldn't fit a leg in there, maybe an ankle.....
Not trolling.. just really surprised, upset, and disappointed with the price tag of the PHV.. just wanted to point that out to a lot of people on this board who used to make all kinds of negative comments about how unbelievable the price was for the Volt.. well now the PHV is in the same neighborhood!
The price is what I thought it was going to cost without some of the standard features. Also, if you are retired and without any tax liability, you pay full price. You will not get a check from Uncle Sam! If the base Volt has all these features standard, then they are close in price after tax credits! 2012 Base Prius Plug-In Standard Audio AM/FM CD player with MP3/WMA playback, Entune, includes Bing, Pandora; real-time info, traffic, weather, fuel prices, sports and stocks. Navigation, Backup Camera, Heated seats, Sirius/XM Sat radio, HD radio, Remote AC, Hands-free phone capability, phone book access, Advanced voice recognition, Text-to-speech with programmed and customizable text responses, Bluetooth music streaming wireless technology Smart key system x 3 doors 6-way adjustable seats for both driver and front passenger
I admit also being very surprised at the price. I was really expecting it to be around $27,000 or so, then add tax breaks to make it closer to $25,000. In which case we would be getting one to go along with our Leaf and replace my wife's 2010 Prius. However, that is just not going to happen. We could actually afford another Leaf cheaper than the Prius PHV. I have to agree it may be possible (although unlikely) to find a Volt cheaper than a Prius PHV, especially if I wait another year or so and find a used Volt. Although, all things being equally priced, I'd still rather have the Prius PHV just because the interior and exterior design of the Volt doesn't appeal to me much.
Minor issue with the chart in that after tax credit the base model PHEV Prius will be under $30,000. More like $29,400 and some change.
Now, I think Toyota could have offered just a Prius II with the Plug for less, but instead, they offered a well-equipped base model. I don't know why they did that. I can't even call it a base model since it has every option/accessory that I wanted, except for Fog lamps.
Was initially posted by Evnow and should be $32,000 + $760 Dest, charges - $2,500! http://priuschat.com/forums/toyota-...s-plug-in-product-info-pdf-2.html#post1388867
What gave that impression? Those early PHV data-collecting models were packaged with features placing it somewhere between package 3 & 4. Adding the anticipated $5,000 premium for the plug prior to tax-credit would have priced it around $30,750. Even the spin coming for Volt enthusiasts claim $30,000 was the hope. I don't understand how some thought price would be quite a bit lower. Lithium battery production is no where near high enough to support prices equal to the cordless model immediately upon rollout. Could it have been the initial price of Leaf without the cold-weather package that mislead expectations? It's MSRP is for the 2012 is $35,200. Exchanging its larger battery-capacity with a gas-engine and a second electric-motor couldn't possibly have dropped the price all the way down to $27,000. .
Yes - just updated the chart. Now shows the tax tax cr price clearly as "+ Destination - Fed Tax Cr". Waiting for someone to make a real price comparison chart taking into account the trim levels.
Options have a much higher profit margin - and if someone wants to cover a higher base price, they offer that at higher price with higher trim to justify the higher price. Nobody here thinks nav would cost $1,800, right ?
Realistically, I don't think they could do a pure Two. Well, not a 2011 anyway. In an EV you want heated seats, remote A/C and a good way of remote-controlling the charging so a fancier system is required. They'll have no problem shifting the first 15,000. You just have to wait and see whether they'll be able to cut back on the unnecessary options later. (Entune looks like it'll otherwise be just an annoying forced upgrade.)
