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Confirmed!!! Gen5 nav 9.1 works in 2006+ prius!!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Audio and Electronics' started by LIPriusFreak, Jul 21, 2011.

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  1. LIPriusFreak

    LIPriusFreak Can I haz JDM?

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    After numerous bouts with trying to burn gen 4/gen 5 9.1/10.1 software and not getting it to work, I decided to take the plunge and purchased a used original gen 5 9.1 disc

    it loaded up just fine...wonder if I could copy it?
     
    #1 LIPriusFreak, Jul 21, 2011
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    Will you try? :D
     
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    If you have the disks available, make a block by block copy as a back-up and see if it work ?

    :confused:
     
    #3 2Nutz, Jul 22, 2011
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    So refresh my memory......if I have a 2008 Prius and I purchase an original gen 5 9.1 disc, will that give me a newer database than the one that came with my 2008? By how many years?

    And if it is a newer database, how much does this disc cost?
     
    #4 ualdriver, Jul 22, 2011
  5. LIPriusFreak

    LIPriusFreak Can I haz JDM?

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    the 2008 prius should've come with 7.1 which means my disc is 2 years newer (2009-2010 data)

    I will try to copy this weekend...if it works....I will start a list as to whom needs copies and I will forward via UPS.

    THe disc is $199 at Toyota..I paid $60 (which is what I felt it was worth)
     
    #5 LIPriusFreak, Jul 22, 2011
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    Good luck and may the force be with us

    ;)
     
    #6 2Nutz, Jul 22, 2011
  7. mynameisjim

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    I'm interested
     
    #7 mynameisjim, Jul 22, 2011
  8. ss_neogeo

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    If the backups do work, then indeed sign me up on the waiting list!

    I've tried burning a 9.1 and a 10.1 from links I found here, both from a Lite-On burner using Verbatim discs, and while they did update the Agree display page, they both failed to update the maps. I'll try to provide any other information if I come across it.
     
    #8 ss_neogeo, Jul 23, 2011
  9. Debprius

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    Hi. I'm new to this forum.
    So, all I want to do is update my map. What else besides the map does the dvd do/update/change?
     
    #9 Debprius, Jul 23, 2011
  10. just_older99

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    how did you get it for $60?
    if it works in interested!!! :)
     
    #10 just_older99, Jul 23, 2011
  11. FreydNot

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    I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think you will find the gen5 DVD reader in the Prius will simply only read factory pressed, silver disks (not any form of writable disks). I would be happy to be proven wrong.

    The reports I have read say that the gen5 drive in the Prius is the only one with this "problem". Gen4 drives in the Prius seem to work. Gen5 drives in other Toyota/Lexus cars seem to work.

    Good luck.
     
    #11 FreydNot, Jul 24, 2011
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    I don't think there is an inability in the reader of gen 5 dvd units, because I was able to make a fully functional copy of a 7.1 disc. The inability only occurred with the 9.1 disc. It is interesting that the powers that be should decide to implement a form of copy protection in the firmware of the gen 5 and not others. I believe the limitation is caused by the firmware checking the sector scheme of the disc --- if it is the scheme of a burned disc, then no go.
     
    #12 volkl, Jul 30, 2011
  13. FreydNot

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    Interesting. I have the gen5 stock 7.1 disk in my 2008 now. Maybe I'll try to replicate your copying of the 7.1 disk.

    Can you give me details of what worked for you? What brand of media, what burning software, book type, etc.
     
    #13 FreydNot, Jul 31, 2011
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    <responding to FreydNot>

    Sure. Just pulled out the old 7.1 copy that I used in my 2006 prius. Note, I purchased an OEM 7.1 as my source, and only made the copy because I was paranoid of a valet stealing my OEM disk.

    It is a Verbatim DVD+R DL and I used a Macbook Pro running Toast Titanium 8.

    I have read posts about setting the book type, but if I recall correctly, I just used the copy setting defaults of Toast.

    I tried many times to burn the 9.1 and have not ever had any luck.

    Oh, one more thing...the dealership that sold my 9.1 OEM said that once one puts a 9.1 disk in, then a prior disk will never work again. My assumption is that once one puts a 9.1 OEM diskette in, it upgrades the firmware of the reader, and this includes code that checks that the formatting scheme is that of a factory pressed disk as opposed to a burned disk. If the dealer is right about not being able to revert to a disk prior to 9.1 after 9.1 has been installed, then your experiment is meaningful if you have not installed 9.1 OEM.
     
    #14 volkl, Jul 31, 2011
  15. FreydNot

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    Thanks for the info. Mine has never seen a disk other than the factory 7.1 disk it came with so it should be a good test.

    First I will try to burn a copy of the 7.1 factory disk and see if that works. When I eventually purchase a 9.1 (or 10.1) version OE disk I'll see if I can figure out how to edit the files on the disk such that the only the 7.1 firmware is present on the frankenstein'd DVD. It will be interesting to see if the 7.1 firmware will be able to read the 9.1 data. Since I will have a true OE 9.1 disk in hand, if it doesn't work I can simply plug the true disk in and everything should work out okay. That's my thought at the moment anyway.
     
    #15 FreydNot, Aug 1, 2011
  16. FreydNot

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    I was able to successfully make a copy of my factory stock 7.1 gen5 nav disk. I use windows so I tried Imgburn first. It complained about the layer splits not being optimum and refused to burn the disk. Next I tried using DVDFab. I used the Clone mode which is found under DVD Copy. That worked prefectly.

    I didn't have any Verbatim media on hand so I used the Ritek DVD+R DL media that I did have. I'll keep using the copy in the car and see if it has any problems.

    I'll need to acquire a OE 9.1 or newer gen5 nav disk for my next set of tests. Anyone know where I can get one for cheap?

    Here is what Imgburn had to say about the factory disk...
    PHP:
    PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-111D 1.23 (ATA)
    Current Profile: DVD-ROM

    Disc Information    :
    Status: Complete
    State of Last Session    : Complete
    Erasable    : No
    Sessions    : 1
    Sectors    : 3,999,616
    Size    : 8,191,213,568 bytes
    Time    : 888:50:16 (MM:SS:FF)

    File System Information:
    Sectors: 3,999,616
    Size    : 8,191,213,568 bytes
    Time    : 888:50:16 (MM:SS:FF)

    TOC Information:
    Session 1... (LBA: 0)
    ->     Track 01  (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 3999615)
    ->     LeadOut  (LBA: 3999616)

    Track Information:
    Session 1...
    ->     Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 3999616, LRA: 3999615)

    Physical Format Information (Last Recorded - L0):
    Book Type: DVD-ROM
    Part Version    : 1
    Disc Size    : 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate    : 10.08Mbps
    Number of Layers    : 2
    Track Path    : Parallel Track Path (PTP)
    Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
    Track Density    : 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area    : 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area    : 2,221,436
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0    : 0

    Physical Format Information     (Last Recorded - L1):
    Book Type: DVD-ROM
    Part Version    : 1
    Disc Size    : 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate    : 10.08Mbps
    Number of Layers    : 2
    Track Path    : Parallel Track Path (PTP)
    Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
    Track Density    : 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area    : 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area    : 2,171,394
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0    : 0

    Layer Information    :
    Layer 0 Sectors: 2,024,829 (50.63%)
    Layer 1 Sectors: 1,974,787 (49.37%)
    And here is what Imgburn had to say about my new copy...
    PHP:
    PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-111D 1.23 (ATA)
    Current Profile: DVD+R DL

    Disc Information    :
    Status: Complete
    State of Last Session    : Complete
    Erasable    : No
    Sessions    : 1
    Sectors    : 3,999,616
    Size    : 8,191,213,568 bytes
    Time    : 888:50:16 (MM:SS:FF)

    File System Information:
    Sectors: 3,999,616
    Size    : 8,191,213,568 bytes
    Time    : 888:50:16 (MM:SS:FF)

    TOC Information:
    Session 1... (LBA: 0)
    ->     Track 01  (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 3999615)
    ->     LeadOut  (LBA: 3999616)

    Track Information:
    Session 1...
    ->     Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 3999616, LRA: 0)

    Disc Control Blocks Information:
    PIONEER DVR-111D

    Physical Format Information     (ADIP - L0):
    Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01
    Book Type    : DVD+R DL
    Part Version    : 1
    Disc Size    : 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate    : Not Specified
    Number of Layers    : 2
    Track Path    : Opposite Track Path (OTP)
    Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
    Track Density    : 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area    : 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area    : 16,580,607
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0    : 2,283,519

    Physical Format Information     (ADIP - L1):
    Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01
    Book Type    : DVD+R DL
    Part Version    : 1
    Disc Size    : 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate    : Not Specified
    Number of Layers    : 2
    Track Path    : Opposite Track Path (OTP)
    Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
    Track Density    : 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area    : 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area    : 16,580,607
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0    : 2,283,519

    Physical Format Information     (Last Recorded):
    Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01
    Book Type    : DVD-ROM
    Part Version    : 1
    Disc Size    : 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate    : Not Specified
    Number of Layers    : 2
    Track Path    : Opposite Track Path (OTP)
    Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
    Track Density    : 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area    : 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area    : 16,580,351
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0    : 2,196,543

    Layer Information    :
    Layer 0 Sectors: 1,999,936 (50%)
    Layer 1 Sectors: 1,999,680 (50%)
     
    #16 FreydNot, Aug 4, 2011
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    If possible I would like t get a copy of the disk.
     
    #17 gaover, Aug 4, 2011
  18. qbee42

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    Someone has to be the wet blanket and point out the obvious: This software and data are copyrighted - distributing this to others is illegal.

    From a more practical standpoint, Toyota employees often read these forums. I would feel a little funny making offers like this where they can be read by Toyota employees.

    End of lecture, but you have been warned.

    Tom
     
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    First time posting but couldn't resist if I can get copy of updated map(S). I have a 2007. will this be newer? Very interested.
     
    #19 GHoray, Aug 17, 2011
  20. Wolfie52

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    Funny, that was the first thing I thought about, qbee42, when I read the guy was going to copy the Navigation DVD and then sell them!

    People, don't leave paper trails of your criminal intent. It may seem "harmless" to you, but it is illegal.
     
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