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My Prius vs My Volt...

Discussion in 'Chevrolet Volt' started by benbethel, Jun 5, 2011.

  1. benbethel

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    Hey there everyone - long time, no post. Since 2002 or 2003 (can't remember), I've had 6 different Prii, and have loved all of them - and I still do. I own a hotel in Phoenix so we've used them as hotel shuttles, as work cars, and as personal vehicles. I picked up a Volt in LA last Tuesday and drove it back to Phoenix and here are my initial thoughts:

    BTW, this is the first American car I've ever, ever owned... then again, the sticker on the Volt shows (under parts content information) that 40% of parts are US, 20% Korea, Engine is Austrian, Electric Drive Unit is Japan.

    Cargo Area
    1) I love the Prius cargo area, with the seats down I can truly get as much stuff in that car as many people can in their pickups, and I've fully loaded the Prius with everything from 25 cases of water on one trip to 40 ten-foot long galvanized pipes to a million of other things, and have always been able to close the hatch.
    2) Volt cargo area - not sure, haven't loaded anything up yet, not really planning to use the Volt as a vehicle to load a bunch of stuff in, yet. Still, it should be okay, but the Prius wins here

    Seating
    The Volt's seats look better, but I'm not convinced that they're any more comfortable than the Prius.... the lack of the 5th seat in the back is a minus. Prius wins on function, Volt on style.

    Body Style
    People love the Volt, I'm getting a lot of attention over it... people hate the Prius shape... however I've always loved it. The Volt seems more like a regular car to me, but I'm growing into its style. I think the side mirrors are waaaay to big though, and it has very, very low clearance, so I have to watch every bump and dip carefully.

    Gadgets and Gizmos...
    The volt wins hands-down on this - The Prius seems so ancient and basic to me compared to the Volt, and this is what completely set me on getting a Volt. It's the little things that count, that startup and shut-down sound-effect alone completely got me. The free 5-years of On Star, Traffic Navigation, and XM Radio are nice. I'm extremely impressed with the myvolt.com application as well as the Android application so I can check everything with my phone.

    Note on gadgets: I think the screens are a great touch, but I also think that cars can/should be built without navigation, cd players, radios, bluetooth, etc., etc. - all I need is speakers, as my phone (HTC Thunderbolt) has everything I need on it, including all my music, pandora, an fm tuner, navigation with traffic, etc., etc., etc. I've had bluetooth in the Prius and have it in the Volt, and just hate using it - because it always ends up that someone calls me when other people are in the car anyway, so then I have to take the call off the bluetooth.

    Charging
    Wow - this is a totally new concept for me. Charging on a standard outlet works totally fine for me, and the entire 35-38 mile charge from empty takes about 9 hours, but on most days I don't need to charge this much so I'm done in just 2-5 hours. Ecotality is installing 960 chargers in Phoenix, including a few "Blink" chargers that charge the car up in 30 minutes, but then again, I'm guessing that this will cost money, so I'd rather just use an outlet at work during the day.

    Overall - both are great cars... the Volt has the edge for me because of its new-ness and the fact that I don't have to put gas in it as long as I keep on driving less than 35-40 miles between charges, which is pretty easy for me to do.

    BUT, I will say this: if Toyota makes the interior of the Prius a lot more snazzy and high tech, and once the plug in version comes along, I'd probably consider. It's my guess that as batteries become more efficient, lighter, and longer lasting, we'll have most of these cars with 100-200 mile ranges for under $30K within 4 years. I've got my deposit down for a Tesla S, and that'll be the next big thing if I decide to take delivery.

    Ah, last thing: cost for my Prius - about $2500 out the door, $199/mo+taxes = $226/mo on a 3-year lease. Cost of Volt - $2100 out the door, $349/mo+taxes (and I think it was a little higher than this) = $419/mo on a 3-year lease. Not buying gas at all at 1250 mi/mo, saves me ~$110/mo over the Prius, and this is because I'm charging for free at work.

    Anyway, hope this was a nice read... if you have any questions, ask away. If I have problems with the Volt, I'll share them as well, as I think it's fair to talk about the positives and negatives. And I hope that we're all of a mature mind-set that this is all about reducing our dependence on foreign oil, saving money, doing the right thing, etc., not a flame-war of the "Apple vs. PC" mindset... god I hate those!

    Thanks/Ben
     
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  2. efusco

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    Thanks, it's great to hear reasonable evaluations from those with a good point of reference.
     
  3. benbethel

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    Thanks! Oh, and I forgot to mention one of the most irritating things: the keys don't just activate/unlock the doors when you approach... booooo. This is a big mistake in my opinion - I am so spoiled by not having to take keys out of my pocket. The doors auto lock when you close them after turning the car off, as long as the keys aren't inside the vehicle, so it seems that this was just a major oversight.
     
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    Just curious - which model year trim level of Prius are you comparing with?
     
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    great write up, sounds objective, thanks. please keep us posted!
     
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    Ben:

    Very cool stuff!

    I would like if you could compare the 2 head to head when you do have a load to haul. I find the Prius has a lot of cargo space. Curious if you could get a full load in the Prius and then see how much of the same load would fit in the Volt.
     
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    You are paying for elec. if it is your hotel you are using. ;)

    Thanks for the comparo, the volt sounds like it is fun and very future-y.
     
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    What MPG did you get driving from LA back to Phoenix?
     
  9. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    I don't mind them... since it always boils down to what you actually need... can't please all the people.

    The catch with Prius vs Volt is the next step. How does it sell to a wide audience, becoming a mainstream purchase choice. The Prius platform (hatchback & wagon) make the plug option simple & affordable. Will GM adapt the current Volt to offer variety like that that too?

    Sales are measure of progress, not what we can debate about here in a forum.
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    Thank you for the detailed comparisons.

    As a fellow Volt owner and a former Prius owner, I concur with your observations and analysis. (Although in my Gen I Prius the seats didn't fold down so the space in the Volt is more than I am used to not less).
     
  11. mrbigh

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    Boooo, about that. Surely, I will get locked out
     
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    I am thinking that since the Volt has a more "traditional" body style, that it has a higher drag coefficient, and that it was dropped to reduce the drag a bit more. I couldn't find the data on that. Just a thought. There is a functional benefit to the Prius shape. That function is not to win styling acclaim.
     
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    There's an aerodynamic benefit to Prius most people aren't aware of. It's a physics effect that actually causes a little bit of "push" from behind due to the hatch shape. This is part of the reason why the v model gets less MPG than weight & size alone can explain.
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    The drag is proportional to CdA where A is the effective frontal area. Dropping the car reduces the effective frontal area. One interesting change from the gen II to gen III was Cd was reduced while frontal area was increased making the cars CdA the same. The volt does a good job with CdA, but not quite as good as the prius. One difference is the 17" tires which increases both Cd and rolling resistance. In this way the 5 trim of the prius is very similar in terms of aerodynamics and rolling resistance. The following article shows how toyota is ahead on current cars, but gm knows how to build aerodynamic cars.


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  15. Insight-I Owner

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    While I like the aero appearance of cars like the Prius and the Insight, I can't get excited about the practical aspects of aero in cars, for a couple of reasons.

    First, reducing the Cd from say 0.30 to 0.25 is a remarkable achievement requiring close attention to detail. Unfortunately, for a given frontal area, that redesign will reduce the theoretical aero drag by only 17%. But because the aero drag force goes as the square of the speed, simply slowing from 70mph to 60mph will reduce aero drag by 27% (and slowing to 50mph would reduce drag by nearly 50%).

    The other problem is that this aero theory relies on simplifying assumptions that aren't true in the real world: airflow from straight ahead, and constant airflow speed. Crosswinds will certainly disturb airflow over the car. The calculations would probably be too complex to permit one to optimize the car's shape for even a single constant crosswind direction and speed. Gusts and eddies make matters even more complicated.

    So the concerns expressed in the referenced Autospeed article
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    don't seem very upsetting to me. Aero doesn't seem as fruitful as other areas in the quest for higher mpg's.
     
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    Thx for sharing! i love both. but i choose to buy prius for its good price.
     
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    The v also has a 3.70:1 gear ratio as opposed to the 3.27:1 ratio of the regular Prius. This gives it more torques to handle the heavier loads it is likely to encounter due to its larger cargo capacity, but decreases mileage.
     
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    Imagine what Prius c can get with lighter load and higher final gear ratio?
     
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    Did you have the chance of testing how the Volt performs in CS mode (after battery is depleted)?
    Do you feel you have enouph power for accelaration needed? Like when overtaking or in winding roads? or to maintain desired speed climbing a hill?
    In where I live, due to very high purchase tax on cars, people tend to look for "one car for all purposes".