PHV-Plugin- first to order sign up invite from Toyota

The rumors said $3,500 to $5,000 more than the cordless version. The price may vary depending on the optional equipments as well.

 

Um ... did you happen to notice the post RIGHT NEXT to this one?

The search tool can be your friend. You're 138 posts, and TEN days late:
http://priuschat.com/forums/toyota-...on-web-site-all-new-prius-plug-in-hybrid.html

Yep ... we all got it. But thanks for thinking about all us PC'ers anyway.


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My guess? You won't get one in 2012 for less than $36,500 before tax rebates or incentives.

 

I just listened to the PriusChat Show -Episode 2 for this week where Danny and Russell discussed among other topics, the Prius Plug-In Priority registration and possible configurations of the car which may be a barebone package, say a I or II Prius with a plug.

I hope this does not happen since already people are raving about the information display in the Chevy Volt and all its standard equipments. The Prius should come available with all high-tech features for a broad appeal of the vehicle, including features available in Europe & South America like: HUD, Mirror turn signals. If anybody knows why theses features are not available in the US, please comment! I also hope Entune will be available!

Since this is going to be a mid-cycled refreshed year for the Prius, I expect some cosmetic upgrades of front and tailights, bumpers, added standard features, but it would be important to know if one of the most important information in the display (mileage indicator) will be a 3-digit number for the Plug-In. If one gets 99.99mpg, it would be meaningless since the indicator stop calculating at that number, but If it were to display something like: 113.6mpg, Awesome!

 

Personally I hope its a 3 with maybe unique wheels.

Let's not add 5k in electronic crap to a car that is already going to cost 5k more.

 

But it looks like the plug-in is going to come standard with Nav and Fog lamps. OKay, a unique wheel for the plug-in, maybe 16" in a package III configuration(JBL and bluetooth) would really be nice and a speculated price maybe around $32,000.

 

On the display digits thing I wonder if it would just be easier for them to move the decimal point for you (i.e. read 999.9 instead of 99.99).

 

Wonder what is the Federal and CA state tax credit? I think it is $2500 for Fed, but anyone knows what is for CA?

 

I hope they offer all the options including making it a PHV Five model. Cost does not matter if a person wants all the bells & whistles on their car. Offer it from bare bones to top of the line. It's gonna get damn good gas mileage no matter what options are piled on it.

Mike

 

Hey naudurivsm,
I too have signed up for the PHV but I wounder if it will only increase mileage on short hops because it will run on battery. If you are on a all day trip it will use the battery for the first 13-15 mi. and then be on standard hybrid. If so the mpg may not be much different than the standard hybrid.
What are your thoughts?
Rip

 

I think you are right about "damn good gas mileage". It is not just 13 or 15 initial EV miles. Insideline tested the Prius plug-in mileage after complete depletion of the EV batteries and found the Prius Plug-In to be more efficient than the current Prius in HV mode.

The plug-in option is perfect for people like myself, short commute, my work is 6.1 miles from my residence. I will be able to drive in EV mode as much as possible.

The link for Insideline Prius Plug-In video!

2010 Toyota Prius PHV Prototype Full Test and Video

 

Thanks, Great video.

 

Is it the L-ion batteries responsible for this? Any clue why it gets better mileage with more weight?

 

The Inline video demo driver said mpg inprovement was 53 mpg in HV and the battery weight did effected to handleing and breaking. If the mpg has improved, purchasing the HV may make more since .
It's going to be interesting to see if the EV savings will even come close to the upcharge in price and Congress will figure out a way to get the "Road Tax".

 

Very cool. I just registered myself as I was unaware of this. Thanks also for the video.

The guy in the vid notes that the PHEV will cost about $3K-$4K more than the standard. Ouch. I'm not sure if that's enough of an EV only range for that price. There are different ways of calculating this, but it looks to me, that you'd have to drive 30-40K miles on EV only to make up that cost. with only 15 or so EV only miles, its gonna take a lot of short trips to get up there. If it was something like 25 EV miles, that would be more feasible as that would encompass a round-trip commute for many more folks.

We'll see what happens when it comes out. I really want an all electric vehicle for my commuter, but so far, that's not proving to be a fiscally justifiable option either. I might just spring for another regular old prius.

Part of my problem is that I only drive my car about 8mo out of the year, and only about 8000mi/yr. More use might make a more expensive eco car more feasible.

 

Keep in mind the initial 13 miles can replace many short trips. A cordless Prius will not get 50 MPG on those short trips.

 

Hypothetically of course, if I told you that Hyundai had a breakthrough in its DI technology and in 2012 was going to produce a Prius sized car, with Prius reliability, that actually (real world) averaged 80 MPG and only cost $3-4k more than the 30 MPG car available today, what would you say ?

 

Let's see. What the current 30mpg Hyundai car costs is not relevant for me. When I bought the prius, I moved from a 12mpg truck, so that's what I used, not the price of other toyota's. Since I'd be moving from a prius, that's my benchmark.

So with that, I personally put about 8K miles on a car per year. With my prius, that's 228 gallons of fuel per year (8000/35mpg avg for me). The hyundai would be 100 gallons (8000/80mpg), though I suspect that my aggressive style would reduce the actual mpg. Nevertheless, that's a difference of 128 gallons of fuel per year, at $4.00/gallon, yields just $512 in savings. Great fuel economy presents the serious problem of diminishing returns.

Nonetheless, it would take 6 years for me to re-coup a $3K price premium if I purchased. It's all gravy after that.

Since I lease cars, I would have to consider the diff in the lease price. A premium of $3K is going to roughly equate to another $30.00/mo in lease payments. The $512/year savings is $42/mo average savings in gas.

So, the 80mpg car would be worth it if it was about $3K more than the prius. But that is on the assumption that it would get 80mpg for me personally. Also, the savings would be lesser for folks who get an actual 45-50mpg out of their prius.

Ok, I'll stop rambling now.