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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by wileec, Oct 22, 2010.

  1. wileec

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    I can not beleive that I am the first or only one who has had this issue. But I have always felt that my headlights on my 2005 (conventional not HID) have had to be replaced way to often. I know the dealer replaced each side under 36 month wareny, and I have replaced them more than once a year. WHAT IS UP WITH THIS. Yes we leave them on all the time but still... Just tonight I noticed one was out and I knew it had not been long since I replaced the pair (yes I always put in 2 new ones) I also have started dating the bulbs so I know how long they are lasting, like I said usally less than a year. Tonight the date on the bulb was "9/10" so less than 2 months.:eek:

    Does anyone have any ideas?
     
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    Measure your 12V bus while the Prius is in ready. It should be around 13.8V. If you see much above this, it could be high voltage leading to early bulb failure.

    It's more likely that you got some bad bulbs, or drive with them on all of the time.

    Tom
     
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    If it is bad bulbs I have had bad ones for 5 years some worse than others. Yes I do drive with them on all the time that was in the OP, but I know I am not the only one who does that.
     
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    1. How many miles per year do you drive, and how many hours of run time does that translate to?

    2. Do you drive on less-than-smooth roads?

    3. When replacing the bulbs, do you use something to hold the glass so that your skin oil does not get onto the bulb surface?

    4. What bulb brand do you buy?
     
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    As Patrick implies, DO NOT touch a halogen bulb. If you do you must clean it (degreaser) before using it. If you don't the quartz will overheat and fail.

    With halogen bulbs, -low voltage-, not high will shorten their life. They need to be hot to recombine the tungsten halide that forms in the envelope. This is why they work at all. They run a small volume in the envelope, thus causing the envelope to run hot - thus requiring it to be quartz. They put a halogen in the envelope to combine with the tungsten that is evaporated off the filament due to the higher temperature they run at (the higher temp gives more light). At the highest temp spot on the filament (where the filament is thinning due to evaporation) the tungsten halide is broken down back to tungsten, which sticks to the filament, and halogen gas which is then reused in the envelope somewhere else.

    So, check your voltage -at the bulb-. You may have a loose connection at the fuse causing a small voltage drop.
     
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    FYI, and as a point of reference, Philips says that the typical OEM halogen bulbs last around 500 hours (that's around 25,000 miles if you leave your bulbs on all the time while driving, and average 50 mph).

    Also, I understand that halogen bulbs gradually get dimmer. So you might want to change them every couple of years even before they burn out.
     
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    Osram Sylvania recommends replacing halogen bulbs once per year:
    OSRAM SYLVANIA - Frequently Asked Questions

    Of course it is in their interest to do so.

    My 2004 w/HID has 111K miles and the original bulbs are still in place. My 2007 w/halogen bulbs has 26K miles and original bulbs. I do not use the headlights except at nighttime.
     
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    Pearl still has the original bulbs, at 55,000 km. They run all the time, mostly in DRL mode (dimmed). This probably works because they run so cool that the tungsten doesn't evaporate off the filament. In fact, my last three vehicles have used H4 halogen bulbs, and I've kept each for over 100,000 km. I've never burnt out an H4 bulb. Of course just typing that will doom me now. ;)
     
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    1. Total for 5 years 75000
    2. Mostly city/highway not really rough
    3. Usally wear latex gloves
    4. Sylvania Extravision

    If it was a year or more I would not be complaining. But less than 2 months?

    I also just noticed that when listening to AM radio at night the only time I get good reception is when I am at a clean coast or running only on battery If the ICE kicks in I get real bad reception, static etc. Not sure if this is related but it is electrical so...
     
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    Check the -ve cable attachment for the 12V battery to the vehicle body. Some of them get loose and can cause the voltage to fluctuate.
     
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    Have the same issue with wife's 05 prius. Goes thru headlights about every 6-8 months. The sylvania bulbs were under warranty so contacted their warranty people. they send me bulbs for free when I email them my receipts from autozone. Been thru about 3 pair of headlights in the last couple of years but sylvania keeps sending replacements...but you are right, something ain't right with these headlights..
     
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    5 years on the stock 12v, could it be in need of replacement? I still have not checked the conections or the voltage at the light I seem to have misplaced my voltmeter:eek:
     
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    I've been holding off saying it BUT if the voltage is correct STOP using Sylvania bulbs! Get real ones.
     
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    What would you consider "real" bulbs? If there is a different choice I am all for it.

    Sorry I did not ask sooner but my computer would not stay running for more than 10 minutes either.
     
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    Bosch and Hella make them. Then there are the Japanese ones and Chinese ones. Though I suspect the Sylvania are Chinese. The problem with Sylvania is they are designed to appear brighter. Which means they will not last as long.

    You can get Hella bulbs of higher power than stock. They are, of course, illegal (legal bulbs will run 55W low beam and 65W high beam). Not sure how anyone would catch you with them, as you would have to remove them to check the power rating. You can get 65W low beam, 75W, 85W, and I've even seen 100W, all in the H4 size. Higher power bulbs might strain the electrical system (wires and fuses) and could overheat the housings, causing the plastic to melt. In the interest of full disclosure. ;)

    For example try Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

    A simple search on google for H4 halogen bulbs gave me that link.
     
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    Follow up 1 month and guess what?

    Lost hte head light again 30 days less than 1500 miles and the drivers side went out again, (same as last month) I am sure there is something WRONG but would like an idea before I ask my local Toyota stealership for their opinion. I would be more than happy to pay a little more for bulbs but even the "not real" bulbs should do better than 30 days. I got the voltage at the headlight socket and it is just under 14v (analog gauge still can nto find my good one)

    Somebody please give me an idea.
     
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    HELP!!! on the 21st I put the old bulb (30 days) it was on pasenger side in the driver side again it has burned out what can be wrong? I see a bunch of issues with HID systems, nobody has had problems with conventional lights?
     
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    If your voltage is below 14, and you are absolutely not touching the quartz (glass) when you install, then something else is going on. I would definitely try another brand!

    The only other possibility I can imagine is are you driving on rough roads? (high vibration)
     
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    Have you tried using something other than the latex gloves to prevent contact with the quartz? I usually handle them with a paper towel and haven't had any problems.

    Is it possible that the bulbs aren't seating properly when you install them? I recall taking quite a while to get the bulb "just so" last time I replaced a set. Alternatively, is it possible that you are scratching the quartz when you install the bulb? I think any defect would threaten its integrity, and it takes a heroic effort to get the bulb in there without making contact with anything.
     
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    OK replaced the dead bulb carefully with a Wagner, it is a German manufacture not sure about quality but it is not Sylvania, we will see. The hardest part for me is getting the plug back on the bulb but I know it is on tight.

    Also found my good meter. I have 13.98v at the headlight harness and at the battery. The only thing I noticed was that there was a quick drop in voltage when the ICE kicked in but was then back to 13.98v.