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Weird steering problem

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by 1FSTCAT, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. 1FSTCAT

    1FSTCAT New Member

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    Bought an '03 Prius with 85k miles that has been sitting for the last year with a blown engine. Already had the engine replaced, the radiator replaced and both batteries replaced.

    When driving and turning right, the car turns fine. Normal assist, normal return-to-center of the steering wheel.

    When turning left, even just a little bit left of center, the steering wheel does not return to center. The car must be steered straight again.

    There's no stuttering of the wheel and plenty of assist in both directions.

    Does this sound like a ball joint problem? Maybe a steering shaft? Or would you lean towards a rack or assist motor?

    Thanks for your help!!

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  2. bwilson4web

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    You're in an area, steering assembly, where I don't have much expertise. Considering the linkages and gears and other parts, I wouldn't know where to start. I would suggest finding a good shop, check for reputations, and see if you can come in when their best mechanic will be on duty. Let them know it is a hybrid with electronic steering assist.

    You might start with the list of independent shops in your area (see the other thread.) Don't rule out the Toyota shop.

    The "Car Talk" guys get calls like this and near as I can tell, they say 'it could be <a list of all front end parts from bearings to steering drag arm or rack and pinon gear>.' Apparently more than one part can give similar symptoms and it takes 'eyes and hands on' to correctly identify the right parts.

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    Hi
    Concerning "There's no stuttering of the wheel and plenty of assist in both directions."
    Being that you had the engine out you may have disconnected the cables to the steering box up front. The fact that you have power assist in both directions and no vibrations I doubt it's the dreaded dirty pot in the steering box, but rather think you only need to do the "initialize zero position" procedure.
    I have seen it in one thread or another -just search on steering problem and you'll find it.
     
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    Thanks for your reply W2CO. I wasn't aware of this issue. I searched the site thoroughly (in the Gen 1 section), yesterday and looked at most of the posts involving steering problems. I didn't see anything like you're describing. I did find a description of the procedure on another website and it involves using the Toyota Intelligent Tester.

    Is there another method for doing this calibration? Would anyone happen to know if the Mac Tools/Genisys OBD II scanner will perform the calibration? I have one of those, but I'm not sure it will help.

    Thanks for everyone's input so far! I did not know this calibration existed!

    --Ed
     
  5. bwilson4web

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    Hummm, I have Auto Enginuity but haven't surveyed their active tests.

    I'll take a look at it tonight and see what sort of active tests they support.

    Just a thought but you might consider pulling the fuses for the Electronic Power Steering (EPS) and seeing if the binding continues. This will eliminate any electrical contribution. If it is just mechanical, with the fuses pulled, an ordinary body or front-end shop might be able to diagnose the problem if it is steering geometer related. . . . Just a thought.

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    Sorry maybe it wasn't this site where I saw that procedure, as I cannot find it now either..Will also look in my manuals for it, but as Bob mentioned it may only describe the procedure using the toyota handheld scanner tool. AE may also do it but with that it's shakey at best. It is done to validate when the steering wheel was straight, that the wheels were straight at that point as well. Someone had a problem a while back that when the car was going straight the steering wheel was not in the center position but turned somewhat to one side or another.
    Now you had mentioned that the ICE was replaced? In order to do that the steering assy. had to be removed out of the way. You now have good assist to the right and to the left? And the wheel after a left will not return to center position? Perhaps a sensor cable is lose, or not reinstalled properly. Did you do this work yourself? I would get under there and check all the contacts from any connectors (clean the contacts as well), then try again but I think that once the steering unit is removed from the system you need to reinitialize the ecu involved with the mentioned "zeroing" procedure. If you pull any connectors from the steering unit, you must first remove the 12V battery and wait for ten minutes before doing so or else the ecu will get lost as far as position is concerned. Keep in mind that any dtc's that are stored will be erased,
    so record your dtc's first before removing the 12V battery. I will look further into this and see what else may be necessary. It is strange that it works to the right and not the left. I'm thinking sensor wires now. Good luck.
     
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    I will try the suggestions mentioned. Thanks guys!!
     
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    If you have not already done so, it might be worth just taking it to an alignment shop to see if its in spec. You will want a good alignment anyway, even if there are other problems to be worked.

    Eric
     
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    I kinda sorts remember someone posting that their steering wheel was not centered when driving straight and if was an adjustment. Not sireethe adjustment was DIY or not, but an electronic adjustment does sound plausible
     
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    Okay, jacked it up engine off, both front wheels off the ground, and pushed the front wheels around with my hands. Here's the results. From anywhere in the range of motion, I can pull the front wheels to the left with three fingers. From anywhere in the range of motion I cannot move the wheels at all to the right, even with both hands. I assume this is a problem with the rack? I'm not having a good feeling about Toyota right now. 7 years old with 85k miles and it's just like a domestic car. Everything needs to be replaced. I've already replaced the radiator and the ICE (due to the radiator failure, I guess) and both batteries. Now a rack, and if you refer to my other post, you'll see yet another expensive failure. Ouch.

    Does anyone have a service manual that they could post the steps of the R&R for the rack? It would be MUCH appreciated.

    Also, if I replace with a used rack, what years are compatible with my 2003?
     
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    Years are 2001-03.

    As for the instructions, Volume 2 of the maintenance manual or subscribe to Toyota TIS long enough to download the instructions.

    GOOD LUCK!
    Bob Wilson