1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

How do I achieve the best MPG when driving on hills?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by JMiller77, Aug 13, 2010.

  1. JMiller77

    JMiller77 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2010
    2
    0
    0
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Hello everyone! I am a long-time reader and first-time poster. I just picked up my 2010 Prius yesterday and have a few questions. I live in southern Pennsylvania where there are hills, not as many as northern PA but there are still some substantial hills nonetheless. My question is how often can I go into the power zone going up hills and still achieve good gas mileage? I try to stay in the ECO zone whenever possible. Thank you in advance!
     
  2. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,665
    15,664
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus


    This is what I measured on an 8% grade hill:
    [​IMG]
    Lessons learned:

    • Up the hill as slowly as safe - I like to follow semi-trailer trucks in the climb lane.
    • 89 octane makes more ICE power available - the engine will tune to use higher octane fuel but other mileage may suffer. No data on 93 octane. Pure gas is almost always better.
    • Descend using "B" - more for traction battery management, it also makes moderating the speed much easier. By hills, I mean 500 foot or better.
    • Experiment - try different approaches and report your results. I have to drive out of town to find hills so you're in an area where you can contribute to our knowledge.
    • Instrumentation - consider a DashDAQ or Scanguage or other instrumentation to gain insights. For example, peak cooled exhaust gas recirculation happens about 4,200 rpm. So this may be just over an optimum climb, rpm goal.
    GOOD LUCK!

    Bob Wilson
     
  3. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,024
    16,243
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    So use 89 octane on road trips and 87 octane around town at home?
     
    1 person likes this.
  4. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,665
    15,664
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    Near as I can tell, yes. When we next head to West Virgina, we'll use 89 to punch up the hills.

    Bob Wilson
     
  5. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2010
    6,035
    3,855
    0
    Location:
    Rocky Mountains
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    So for those that live on mountains, 89 may be the way to go?
     
  6. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2010
    6,035
    3,855
    0
    Location:
    Rocky Mountains
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    You think you could make a graph like that for lower speeds? It seems like at speeds in residential areas with the same or greater % climbs, going slower eats your mileage average compared to gunning it and finishing the accent as fast as possible.

    poor for a long time vs. really crappy for a short time factoring into an otherwise good average.
     
  7. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,024
    16,243
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    A pity I didn't know about this before my road trip across the Rockies. I will have to remember to try that next year and see if there's any difference. Currently, it's 55mpg one way and 50mpg the return on 87.
     
  8. Erikon

    Erikon Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2009
    819
    105
    0
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    On a long hill with a posted 45 mph limit, I find I get far better mileage (20%) if I'm slowed down by a truck in front to say around 30 mph, as opposed to keeping up with traffic at 50+ mph!
     
  9. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2010
    6,035
    3,855
    0
    Location:
    Rocky Mountains
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Overall mileage or instantaneous mileage?

    Because of course instantaneous will be better at slower speeds. But the same logic that allows pulse and glide to be efficient, it would seem that if you got it all "out of the way" as fast as possible, you are spending less time in the power burn zone.

    Like if you had a glass of water, and you poured it out at a constant speed X and it took you a time T, at the end you had V units of water left in it. Then next time you have V2 units left, where V2 > V, if you instead poured out at speed X*E, where E > 1.0, however it only took you T2 time, where T2 << T.

    What would the difference in V vs. V2 be?
     
  10. Erikon

    Erikon Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2009
    819
    105
    0
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Based on a the same route I drive every day, about 8 miles. When the only difference is being slowed down on that hill, I get about 70 to 75 mpg. Otherwise I get around 55!
     
  11. Spin&Save

    Spin&Save New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2010
    5
    1
    0
    Location:
    Seattle,WA
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Well, just the other day I decided to try not monitoring the eco graph
    Instead,just driving without any big regard to mpg I achieved about -2/10 of a gal difference that 1st day,and now mostly it is higher
    I am not using ECO mode button yet but will start this coming week
    just to see the difference if any. Mileage is now at about 1400 and have noticed a mpg jump overall from 1st tankful(10mpg)
    Tires are at 40 & 38psi.
    This is my second Prius,the 1st was just as easy to achieve excellent mpg after breakin.
    I fill up at the same pump when can,at the same time also
    FYI the best time in the hotter months is around 6-9am
    its estimated you can get 2-3% more per gal bought at these times
    because of contraction in the fuel itself
    There is realistically no gas available where I live that is not ethanolized.Pure gas is 100% from the oil barrel,no corn additives
    It is a bit of work to get much more than 50mpg,especially like where I am in the Seattle region. Super mega hills,most everywhere so if you get over 45mpg which I do everyday,that's way more than what I'd have expected here
    I have driven high mile per gallon cars for 28yrs or so
    These cars are great but I do long for the day of being happy with 28mpg Honda Civics,that being said,the 2010 Prius is a charmer
     
    1 person likes this.