Do not buy BP gas.

I could not agree more. I want to kill the CEO with a fork. Five bucks to anyone who comes up with a better idea!

Lorraine

 

As a Brit I realise that the future for BP in the US is probably over after this but you guys really have to face a little reality.

Which government allowed Oil companies to drill in such deep water - US.

Which government was on the verge of allowing MORE of it to happen - including unspoiled areas like Alaska and the Artic - hmmm the US government. The Artic is a big issue as all the governments around it fight over rights - US, Canada, Russia even little Denmark.

The whole oil industry will be trying to solve this - to think that anyone else can try and do it better - like the US military - is just fantasy. Its obvious that BP is desperate to stop it - to think otherwise is just ridiculous. It's a massive PR disaster and could destroy the company. The fact is nothing like this has happenend before and there is no easy way to solve it - otherwise it will have happenned already.

I will say no more. It is a disaster - and it will continue. Its nothing like as bad as the Exxon Valdez scandel yet - but it could get that way. This could change the whole way we drill for oil - which could be for better or worse. Will the US government ever let new deep water exploration happen?

 

The thing with the US Military... Tell me which MOS was made to deal with this kind of thing? Please, if Roughneck was a MOS I missed something big. We are trained for fighting, humanitarianism, media, and paperwork depending on MOS.

Anyway, I buy gas on base and am not sure who supplies that, but will look it up and post the link later in an edit.

 

It's not just BP that didn't have a plan in place, no one did. The reality is our economy and our life style are based on cheap energy and having as much of anything we want whenever we want it. As previously pointed out it is our government, including the present one, that allowed it to happen. And our government is elected by us. So who is to blame?

There is no panacea. If we really want to "save the planet" we have to undergo a drastic life style change and sooner rather than later. That would include using a lot less energy, having a lot fewer babies, and having less of everything else. The truth is we prefer rushing headlong into disaster and don't even seriously consider the alternatives.

 

Yesterday a local afternoon commute radio talk show put out the question for call in of whether it should STILL be "Drill baby Drill" or had this incident changed peoples minds.

I was disappointed in how many people called in to defend the status quo. Most people while upset at BP and at least marginally upset about the disaster, were siding with the oil companies and continued drilling....with just a perfunctory nod towards the obvious reality that this shouldn't of happened and shouldn't happen again. But it seemed like when faced with the choice, the majority still valued getting the Oil, over the enviromental risk and/or real societal change.

I'm more disappointed because I've lived in Oregon my whole life, and used to think of it as a state that was ahead of the curve or a leader in championing conservation and enviromental responsibilty...perhaps it was just the specific audience the show normally reaches...certainly not scientific...but still dissapointing.

 

I have been boycotting BP stations from day 1. Unfortunately, BP Corp. is a oil producer and thus sales oil to multiple refineries all over. There is no way to know if you are actually using their product at a Marathon, Mom & Pop store or other big brand name. That's the part that SUCKS. They are one of the main producers of American oil.

Also, for the record, this disaster has eclipsed Exxon Valdeze in both environmental and human impacts.

Also, for the record, BP was in charge of the containment forces that were supposed to be mobilized for a disaster in Alaska. (They also own/control a very large share of the Alaskan Pipe Line.) They failed that... and they failed this. I want them out of my country yesterday.

gregpalast.com/slick-operator-the-bp-ive-known-too-well

(I can't post links because apparantly I haven't posted on the forum enough so you can't click it but can cut and paste it... sorry)

But yes, they are doing what they can inregards to this disaster that their "profits first" attitude caused. Unlike most people, I do understand the issues and problems of working 5000 ft below the surface of the ocean. It's easier to fix something on the space station or other orbiting satellites than it is to work at any significant depth on this planet.

Unfortunately, these issues were ignored by the people who issued the permits and were supposed to enforce them. I say fire them all, investigate them for illegal acts and prosecute the guilty.

But this, like so many other things, will go away once the media shows the American public something shiney to distract them.

Ultimately, I am beyond disappointed in us...

 

There is a reason I bought a Prius. While I'd been thinking about it for a long time, the fact was, economically, I was rather enjoying the lack of car payments. But after this incident, I decided it was time to cut my gas usage in half. So far so good.

 

To add.

Does anyone find it suspicious or odd that at least where I live gas prices have remained stable and/or decreased?

I'm paranoid, but it almost seems to me like the oil companies KNOW they screwed the pooch on this one and can't afford to upset the consumer...so they are keeping gas prices stable and lower.

Every other time in the past when a disaster hit, from a hurricane or a tropical storm, Oil Companies used it as an excuse to immediately raise prices. I think they are waiting until the potential fury of the public dies down, before the gouge us with higher prices...but they will come...

 

Needless to say, I agree that that this is a disaster that is unlike any other in the Gulf of Mexico. However, the reality of the situation is that, as long as I own a car that runs on gasoline, I will go to any pump that sells quality gasoline at the cheapest price.

This sentiment is coming from someone who has grown up on the south Texas beaches and seen the Gulf coastal quality degrade. On occasion I have worked on an oil rig in south Texas and am fully aware of how dirty oil is when it gets on your hands. Yes, I wish things were different, but the reality is the way it is.

 

This was an exploratory well they were in the process of shutting down. This wasn't a producing well so it wouldn't/shouldn't effect gas prices.

But I think they raise them soon...just because they can... and lets not forget our friends the speculators. I am sure they are going to help raise prices.

 

ajc Quote:
Do not buy BP gas after their reckless and careless environmental disaster. All offshore drilling should be stopped immediately.

OK, ajc .... it's a disaster and guess what; We're ALL to blame. BP and all the related drilling companies, the gov't allowing it in the lease, and everyone like You & Me who consumes tons of OIL products. Like your computer right now and all those MODS you listed on your III model. Mostly a bunch from China, festering daily environmental poisons there? I see your from PA ... we could all join an Amish clan?

However, I do totally agree one would think that there would have been a "Plan" in place. Does any other oil company have one?

Like floor mats that stick and Massey Mines that explode, this is far from a perfert world.

 

Yes, but exploratory or otherwise...seems to me in the past "any" glitch on the radar of an Oil Producer was reason enough for Oil Companies to raise prices.

I think this is public manipulation (as usuall). They know..now would be a bad time to raise prices...so magically...they are remaining stable.

 

Why would this incident cut supply?

All the other disasters you mention have a plausible connection (at least for the commodities market speculators) to reduced supply. This was not yet a producing well, so it does not represent any supply reduction.

 

Can you give examples of non-supply glitches that caused prices to rise? The ones you mentioned don't meet that guideline.

 

I understand that. Just saying that in the past it didn't take too much "reality" as to how a disaster, man made or natural ACTUALLY affected production for Oil Companies to immediately raise prices.

Check out the lastest posts within the- Nissan; Leaf will snag Prius Owners thread....I guess I fit the profile of EARLY ADOPTERS MINDSET point #5. Insatiable appetite for green information-UNTRUSTING OF CORPORATIONS...yep that's me....

 

Even if you go to some other gas station such as an Exxon, Mobil, Shell, Valero, Sunoco, Hess, etc., you are STILL buying BP gas, believe it or not.

These gas stations only use the franchise name. The local gas station owner/operators buy their gasoline wholesale from the refiners, and the crude oil inventory from which that gasoline is refined includes crude produced by BP.

As far as the prices of crude oil goes, the U.S. Government's Energy Information Agency releases a crude oil inventory report every Wednesday at 10:15AM. And crude inventory has been RISING for the past year (which means U.S. consumer demand has been dropping for the past year). That is what's keeping crude oil prices from rising.

 

Justlurkin is correct. Brands of gasoline are pretty much like the varieties of Duff beer.

 

Avoid both BP and Valero. Valero is pumping money into the "Repeal AB32" effort in California. Big Carbon has a uniform goal: dispense more carbon, make more profit, screw everyone.