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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by icarus, Apr 28, 2010.

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  1. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Yes, that's the perfect place for it. All the heat and light we need. Plus it even grows food. :)
     
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  2. zenMachine

    zenMachine Just another Onionhead

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    Speaking of NIMBY:

    Montara slick 'covered vast area of Timor Sea' - Upstream Online

    19 April 2010 12:14 GMT

    In the weeks following the 21 August blowout from the PTTEP-operated field, the extent of the slick of light oil, gas and condensate was variously estimated as stretching across an area of between 5000 square kilometres and 25,000 square kilometres.



    In its last day of public hearings in Canberra, the inquiry into the blowout also heard that the federal Department of Environment, Water, Heritage & the Arts (DEWHA) turned down an early request for operational advice in managing the environmental impact of the spill because of "resourcing issues".
     
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  3. icarus

    icarus Senior Member

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    So now let's keep this in perspective.

    As a society we don't want a (any) tax increase(s) and certainly not a carbon tax, with the potential of said carbon tax to reduce consumption and to fund sustainable energy,,, and yet now, in the current disaster we are willing to send in the military (not counting the Coast Guard) to help fix this problem. Add in the costs of "clean up" that will be bourn by you and me at the gas pump, and the incalculable environmental cost of damage to marine environments (that will never be paid!) and you have yet one more invisible tax on our energy habit(s).

    Same could also be said for coal,,, as two more coal miners are missing this morning due to a mining "accident". Same for Nukes, as we spend billions to try to clean up our current mess(es) (Hanford) and yet we are willing to build more.

    So I ask once again,, isn't it time for our political leadership to "let no disaster go to waste" and seize the opportunity to push for real change?

    No BS cap and Trade, no drill baby drill; A real carbon tax that is transparent and whose benefits are mandated to real change in energy policy/technology. It would make the "stimulus" package seem like peanuts.
     
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  4. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    ok, so if the pitfalls of carbon are not enough, then the latest. the spill in the Gulf is now estimated at over 5,000 barrels a day...which is more than 5 times the original estimate.

    all efforts to slow or stop the leak have completely failed.
     
    #24 DaveinOlyWA, Apr 29, 2010
  5. icarus

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    I believe I should have g this thread,, "Spill baby, spill! It keeps on going, keeps getting worse, and the far right is suggesting Iranian terrorists, working with Hugo Chavez! And let's not forget to Blame Obama!
     
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    This isn't a private party, you know. Where are our favorite neo-tards ?
     
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    i heard about it on the news tonight. the gov wanted one installed on every well. oil companies said $500,000. was too much, gave congress a few thousand instead and they backed off. so tonight, oil company says " we have several safety shut off devices in place and they didn't work, so what makes you think those would work either?" :confused:
     
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    so i said to teddy, if you don't want windmills, maybe i can interest you in some drilling platforms or a nice nuke plant!:D
     
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  9. icarus

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    I have been wondering that for a couple of weeks now. Perhaps a couple of them have been politely asked to leave,,
     
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    $500,000 is too much? how long did it take Exxon to make $500,000 last quarter??

    well, 6.3 B in profits which is about 70 M a day or almost 3 million AN HOUR...so how many MINUTES did it take Exxon to make $500,000??

    also on the internet today, 2 coal miners in Kentucky killed in a collapse. its like one thing after another. it did not even make the national news.
     
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    Given the failure to cap the well so far, this spill is gonna rival the Exxon disaster in scope.
     
    #31 tpfun, Apr 29, 2010
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    Most of that oil is still there. Can you imagine the economic effect of shutting down the Southern seaboard fisheries for a decade or two? And the environmental impact on the Mississippi delta? This has the potential to be exponentially worse than the Exxon Valdez. And it's just one well among thousands.
     
    #32 hyo silver, Apr 30, 2010
  13. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    I dont see why they can't cap it and light it on fire... 5000 gallons a day is less than 4 gallons a minute. So if they make this dome they are talking about with a pipe, it only has to handle a little bit of oil continuously to the surface where it will be burned off. A stupid little dome like this, temporarily welded to the exposed part of the well should contain most of the oil and funnel it upwards. They say months before they can put the dome into effect... One stupid metal dome could be built from scrap metal in any shop in a day. Air freight it to Louisianna and helicopter it to the site. Use off the shelf piping for a quick patch job. Done within a week if they wanted too. It wouldnt be 100% effective, but even 1000 gal/day is better than 5000...
     
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    That is 5000 barrels a day or 210000 gallons a day or 145 gallons a minute.
     
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    Ah, I misread it. Still, 145 gal/min isnt that bad. A 2" pipe can handle that.
     
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    NBC News is saying that there 3 spots where it's leaking from and it's 5000 feet underwater. AFP: Oil from leaking well 'washes ashore' in Louisiana mentions that too
    There's also talk about drilling a relief well and I'm reading that could take 90 days.
     
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    This is a *very* deep well
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    The weather isn't helping - strong onshore winds, big waves, and the possibility of thundershowers. What are the chances of lightning igniting the oil? This is getting uglier by the hour.
     
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    A dome which can withstand the pressure of being a mile underwater. Not quite so easy.
     
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