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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by Patrick Wong, Mar 21, 2010.

  1. Patrick Wong

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    My 2007 has halogen headlamps while my 2004 has HID. I notice a big difference in lighting performance between the two (2004 is much better), especially since when I turn on the 2007 high beams, the low beams turn off.

    Can anyone think of any technical reason why it would be a bad idea to have both low and high beams on at the same time (i.e., overheating the bulb?)

    The Mustang headlamps leave the low beams on when the high beams are activated, so this provides a much better light pattern. The Highlander has separate high beam bulbs; low remains on when high is activated.
     
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    I believe its just how it is designed. I've had several vehicles that were either one way or the other.

    What I have done on some of my previous vehicles was to wire a very simple relay that keeps the low beam on when the high beam comes on.

    You'll be amazed at how much more light you have and how much better you can see the road in front of you.

    The guys with snow plow trucks do this all the time and run all night with both on, so from a heat perspective, I personally in my 22+ years of plowing have never once seen an issue with doing this.

    Your high beam filament isn't designed to last as long as the low beam one is, but you'll still get some good use out of them!
     
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    It's a dual filament bulb. If I understand the mechanism correctly, when high beam is activated, the 2nd filament is illuminated and the beam is aimed upwards to throw light down the road.


    With separate low and high beams, the high beam housing can be designed to throw light down the road so the low beam stays on (e.g. the Gen 3 Prius). That's one thing I hated about dual filament designs (the Cobalt was quite bad to the point that we just stuck with low beams)
     
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    Referring to the wiring diagram, the DIM relay switches 12V between the low beam filaments and the high beam filaments. So what I did was to pry out the DIM relay and use a paper clip as a stiff wire to short together terminals 3 and 4 on the base of the relay. (3 is connected to the 12VDC source, and 4 connects to the low beam filaments).

    If you wish to follow suit, use your ohmmeter to find the two terminals that show ~0 ohms resistance when the relay is inactive i.e., no power applied to the coil terminals. Those will be terminals 3 and 4.

    When the relay is plugged back into the socket and the headlights are turned on, the low beams will always be powered up now, regardless of the DIM relay position.

    I'm guessing that the current flow to the low beams is around 8A (assuming 2x 55W bulbs) so I clamped the shorting wire to the two relay pins very tightly, using long-nose pliers. It works quite well and of course the mod can be easily removed if desired.
     
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    My concern would be if the wires could handle the current of both on at the same time. Alternatively, have you thought about retrofitting a 55w HID hit? If you do the retrofit DIY, then you could aim it yourself too.

    $30 HID kit (ballast and bulbs): Apexcone Raptor HID Kit (35w or 55w): HID Kits, DEPO Lights, BMW Bumpers & Lighting - DDM Tuning

    EDIT: Forgot to mention - a good reason not to have your highs on all the time (if I understand what you want to do properly) is the wrath of other drivers.
     
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    Good point. The HEAD MAIN fuse is rated at 40A so I will assume that the wiring between that fuse and the H-LP relay will carry that current.

    The H-LP relay is located next to the DIM relay, so the wire connecting the two should be very short, maybe two or three inches long. That is the only wire to worry about, regarding excessive current. The wires from the DIM relay to the headlight filaments will not be carrying more current than normal.

    I want to have the low beams on all the time that the headlight switch is on, and be able to switch on the high beams (when there's no oncoming traffic) while leaving the low beams on.
     
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    Caution about having both hi and lo on for dual element bulbs.
    1. typically dual element bulbs are not designed to handle the wattage when both on, it will generate too much heat and crack the glass.
    2. when both on, it will take 55 + 65 =120 watt, the heat may damage the head light housing when leave on too long.
     
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    Yes, I am also concerned about that.
     
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    All of this plowing is presumably done with low ambient temps. Things might be a bit different when OAT is above 40 degF.. but only one way to find out.
     
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    Patrick's in AZ, so I'm guessing he'll have OAT of 80deg+.
     
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    .."The" Patrick Wong is asking a question for which he doesn't have an answer.....???

    Gawd, I'm gonna fall over dead.!!
    :D

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    More like 110+ degrees F in the summer day here in southern AZ, but there's no need to turn on the lights in the day. I agree that summer night temps can range into the low 80's F.
    Well, I came up with what I thought was a good and simple approach regarding how to make the low beams stay on. I just wasn't sure whether this was a good idea since the car was not designed that way... :cool:

    But I am going to try it for a while and see if anything happens. If you read in the paper about a Prius in southern AZ catching on fire due to its headlights, you'll know how that happened... :eek:
     
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    Pat,

    Two thoughts come to my head when answering your question.

    1. Overheating the glass over extended periods of usage.
    2. Causing shortened life span of both low/high HID bulbs due to additional heat.

    Actually my greatest concern is number 2.

    I've read an article from a HID manufacturer who state something like "turning OFF and back ON the HID lights while they are hot causes substantial decrease in bulb life." How short? Who knows.

    They also said to increase bulb life you should not use your lights unless needed.
    'Course I run them anytime the car is ON, even the fogs...
    (you never know when you might hit a piece of fog....) ;)


    Sincerely,

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    Hi ZC1,

    My question and recommended approach relate solely to Prius halogen headlights.

    This is not an issue with the Prius HID lights because the top of the light pattern moves up when you select high beams, while the bottom of the pattern remains unchanged. (The same bulb produces both high and low beams.)

    I agree that HID lights should not be turned off and then back on quickly.
     
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    Duly noted. Thanks Pat.


    Sincerely,

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    What wiring diagram were you talking about? I don't see it.
     
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    I don't think the wiring diagram was posted in this string. You can obtain that at techinfo.toyota.com which is a subscription website that provides Toyota factory repair manual info.
     
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    okay, I see..

    is this relay you're talking about the relay under the hood near the driver's side headlight?
    btw, how did it go with both filaments being lit? I fear something will melt or explode when both filaments are lit.
     
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    Yes, the DIM relay is located in the main relay/fuse box near the inverter. No problem after four years of use.