Man Based Global Warming....

Weather != climate.

I could have sworn that's been posted at least a dozen times before.

I'm still waiting for someone to post the study which proves that CO2 does not affect climate...

With or without the so called "hacked emails which completely discredit AGW", the science behind AGW has yet to see a valid argument against it.

 

You missed my point --- I wasn't equating the "weather" with the "climate" -- I was equating the vague, feeble “models†that don’t work when predicting the weather only 1 week in advance, with the even more vague “models†used to predict changes years into the future. Interesting as computer exercises, but worthless if you want to bet your life on them.

 

Moderators, these few trolls who are not here to support Prius owners or do serious inquiry into the car itself and obviously have not real interest in the topics that this forum represents and tries to promote are RUINING the PriusChat experience for me. I suspect that is their real motive here- to ruin PriusChat. They're here ONLY to cause trouble, to argue their incredibly sophomoric and xenophobic and bigotted ideas.

I am officially asking that, as this is a private club, they be not allowed to participate. Ban their IP, remove their accounts, do whatever must be done. I beleive in free speech, but not in private venues. The owner of any PRIVATE venue should have the right and does to refuse service to anyone if those visitors are there to simply disrupt and cause trouble, which is the only REAL reason these idiots are here.

PLEASE, do NOT let them succeed in ruining PriusChat.

 

Spoken with true, closed minded conviction. I post because I find the direction of the "fix" for GW to be DANGEROUS to my health and others. But if you "know" all the answers, then go ahead and remove me --- somehow I'll survive. And I am not here to ruin prius chat -- I own one and tell everyone I talk to about the features of the car.

 

No docbooks you post because you get your jollies by running into a crowded theater and yelling "FIRE!" if you think the theater is filled with those you disagree with on a topic...and there's no point in EVER discussing any issues with you becuase you can't see just how pig-headed, stubborn, idiodic, illogical and pathetically locked into your mindset you are. You're a selfish person who could care less about the welfare of others. It shows. I doubt VERY much you own a Prius. You ARE here to ruin PriusChat...because that's EXACTLY what you're doing for me and a lot of others. I know you're delighted to hear that, so congratulations.

 

If this thread were about the car, I could see your point. However I don't see one person within this thread subject talking about the car --- rather only talking about advancing a theory. I have requested specific info about the car and received responses and thanked the appropriate people several times on other threads within PriusChat.

 

That's because it's impossible to do such a study. Likewise, you could not do a study that proves there is not an invisible, undetectable unicorn sitting next to you. You can't do a study that shows climate change is not related to man's progression of dance moves, or that as we become more sexually promiscuous climate changes occurs. Learn some logic and science then come back to the argument.

Edit: I'm still waiting on someone to post the study that proves CO2 does affect climate You know, the entire argument that all of AGW depends on.

 

I have blocked the worst of them, works a treat.

 

Isn't it the AGW'ers that are yelling FIRE! when there isn't one? (yet?!)

I think you're posting in the wrong thread - did you mean to post in the thread with the off roading guys? If you're being made upset by reading the internet, you can either 1. stop reading the thread, or 2. you know, man up. It's a tough world out there!

 

Can I get some of what you're on please?
It has already been proven CO2 is a greenhouse gas, it isn't disputed. Dance moves? Show us the study that shows that retains heat on earth. Sex, yep, that can do it.
Now, tell me about logic. One person here is being illogical, guess who?
(There might be 2, one is on ignore.)

 

The empirical evidence (glaciers melting, temps going up, etc) are fact. First the right wing denied the existence of global warming, now they deny that humans are causing it, next they will blame it on Bill Clinton. Sound familiar?

 

No one is denying that the earth is warming. Melting glaciers doesn't prove that HUMANS ARE CONTRIBUTING to global warming. We all know normal cycles of global warming and cooling occur. How do we know we are in a normal cycle or if this is accelerated by humans?

 

You're right. (/SARCASM)

It's totally illogical to believe in something of which there is no proof. That, by definition, faith. If you have faith in something, well damn, that sounds an awful lot like religion.

 

It appears that some of the adherents of AGW here are completely unaware that the whole house of cards is about to collapse. The lead authors of IPCC chapters, manufacturers of hockey sticks and scientists more interested in politics than science have been EXPOSED for what they are by the CRU e-mails and documents recently disclosed by a whistleblower.

If you abhor a 'right-wing messenger, here he is anyway. (By the way, the truth is unaffected by who discovers it or who promulgates it - it is, by definition, THE TRUTH) So, man up, butch up, or whatever.

GLENN BECK, HOST: A potentially major scandal is unfolding after someone released thousands of e-mails and documents sent between prominent scientists of global warming debate. The New York Times has verified that these e-mails are legitimate which wasn’t too hard because some of them were written by and to one of their reporters. More on that here in just a second. But first let’s start with the science that has been so settled for all these years. What do these guys say behind closed doors about their so-called bullet-proof consensus? Well, Kevin Trenberth, he’s a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. He wrote, “The fact is we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it’s a travesty that we can’t.” Incorrect data? Inadequate systems? Yeah. Travesty, pretty good word for it.
How about Phil Jones, head of of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, “I have just completed Mike’s nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years to hide the decline.” Yes, he is talking about a trick that another scientist previously used in a peer reviewed journal to apparently hide the decline in temperatures. Incredible. But it doesn’t stop there.
How about when scientific journals published material that Jones didn’t like? Quote “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report…Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer review literature is” end quote. Think about that next time you hear about, oh, “the consensus,” and “the science is settled,” and Al Gore is bragging about the peer reviewed journals
Now what happens to a peer reviewed paper when they disagree with what gets published? Quote “…our only choice is to ignore this paper. They have already achieved what they wanted.” But at least they are not intentionally deleting documents or hiding information, right? Oh, no, they’re doing that, too. Here is Phil Jones writing Michael Mann, the scientist that came up with that Hockey Stick graph, that one. He said, “Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re: AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis…Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will get Caspar to do likewise.” Count them. There’s Jones, Mike, Keith, Gene, and Caspar, whoever they are, potentially deleting e-mails supposedly about supposed science.
So why all the secrecy? Well, we find out from another e-mail from Michael Mann about skeptic Steven McIntyre. “I’m sure you are aware that McIntyre and his ilk realize they no longer need to get their crap published in legitimate journals [you know, the one's they're cycling! ] but all they have to do is put it up on their blog and the contrarian noise machine kicks into gear. Pretty soon Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck and their ilk are parroting the claims.”
So you see, if McIntyre sees the data, he’ll find the tricks that are in it to hide the decline, and then crazy people like me might just let you know about it. Oh, the horror what will happen to cap and trade? That e-mail was one of the scientists to a New York Times reporter. That same reporter, Andrew Revkin, thankfully did report on the story for the New York Times, but he will not post the documents because, quote “The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here.” Oh, well, I know, the New York Times would never post or print anything that wasn’t intended for the public eye, like, maybe, the way we monitor terrorists or specific strategies to protect our troops in the field. No, no, the New York Times, they’re above that.
Deleting e-mails, hiding declines, incorrect data, inadequate systems, redefining scientific peer reviews for their own uses! This is what appears to be going on behind the scenes and literally trillions of dollars of policy decisions are being based on what these guys are telling us. If your gut said, “Wait a minute, this global warming thing sounds like a scam.” Well, I think you’re seeing it now. We told you this was going on, without proof, because we listened to our gut. You’d never believe me, but once again, here we are with yet another brand new reality.
Indeed.

 

If you can't see that these gatekeepers of climate data and information (publicly funded) are in collusion to present only one point of view, then you are blind. If not blind, you are, as mentioned, a True Believer and something as mundane as the facts and the truth will never sway your religious faith in a demonstrably fraudulent enterprise.

Another abhorent right-winger spews more truth:

Pajamas Media Viscount Monckton on Climategate: ‘They Are Criminals’ (PJM Exclusive)

Boy, Bighouse, this trolling thing sure is FUN!! Now run to momma and tell her how naughty I've been, mkay?

If you want to know why the 2010 Prius is uglier than the Gen II, go to another thred - one that isn't headed Man Based Global Warming. It really is that simple.

Well, enough, I have to continue my quest to ruin Prius Chat.

By the way, my car is better looking than yours! Check out my photos.

 

I wonder how many of the warmists will now man up and admit they "could be wrong" --- I most likley have have enough fingers on one hand to keep tally of that from the lack of integrity I see out here...

 

The above link is so damn good, that I'll go ahead and save you from having to exert yourselves to press that mouse.

Viscount Monckton on Climategate: ‘They Are Criminals’ (PJM Exclusive)
Posted By Christopher Monckton On November 23, 2009 @ 10:37 am In . Column2 05, Crime, Europe, Science & Technology, US News, World News | 160 Comments
This is what they did — these climate “scientists” on whose unsupported word the world’s classe politique proposes to set up an unelected global government this December in Copenhagen, with vast and unprecedented powers to control all formerly free markets, to tax wealthy nations and all of their financial transactions, to regulate the economic and environmental affairs of all nations, and to confiscate and extinguish all patent and intellectual property rights.
The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the “global warming” fraud — for fraud is what we now know it to be [1] — tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world’s four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant “global warming” for 15 years — and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.
Worse, these arrogant fraudsters — for fraudsters are what we now know them to be — have refused, for years and years and years, to reveal their data and their computer program listings. Now we know why: As a revealing 15,000-line document from the computer division at the Climate Research Unit shows, the programs and data are a hopeless, tangled mess. In effect, the global temperature trends have simply been made up. Unfortunately, the British researchers have been acting closely in league with their U.S. counterparts who compile the other terrestrial temperature dataset — the GISS/NCDC dataset. That dataset too contains numerous biases intended artificially to inflate the natural warming of the 20th century.
Finally, these huckstering snake-oil salesmen and “global warming” profiteers — for that is what they are — have written to each other encouraging the destruction of data that had been lawfully requested under the Freedom of Information Act in the UK by scientists who wanted to check whether their global temperature record had been properly compiled. And that procurement of data destruction, as they are about to find out to their cost, is a criminal offense. They are not merely bad scientists — they are crooks. And crooks who have perpetrated their crimes at the expense of British and U.S. taxpayers.
I am angry, and so should you be.
What have the mainstream news media said about the Climategate affair? Remarkably little [2]. The few who have brought themselves to comment, through gritted teeth, have said that all of this is a storm in a teacup, and that their friends in the University of East Anglia and elsewhere in the climatological community are good people, really.
No, they’re not. They’re criminals. With Professor Fred Singer, who founded the U.S. Satellite Weather Service, I have reported them to the UK’s Information Commissioner, with a request that he investigate their offenses and, if thought fit, prosecute. But I won’t be holding my breath: In the police state that Britain has now sadly become, with supine news media largely owned and controlled by the government, the establishment tends to look after its own.
At our expense, and at the expense of the truth.

 

Uh oh. But, but, but, but, but, we are all denialist! Why can't we see the truth?

Be careful Ufourya! If you post anything against AGW you are a troll who is trying to destroy prius chat!!!

 

Wow! We're quoting Glen Beck in a conversation about global warming. Such a learned person on the subject has never lived!

How 'bout looking to Lou Dobbs on the problems of growing up as a hispanic AMERICAN (CITIZEN)!

I'll shut up for now and let Doc, U4 and a couple others yell in each others ears. Meanwhile, the rest of us will go on with our lives making a REAL difference.

Icarus