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Plug-In Prius revealed

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by zenMachine, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. zenMachine

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    There are still no hard details on the Plug-In (PHEV) Prius, but we at least finally have a picture of what it'll look like. Toyota has chosen the 2009 Frankfurt Auto Show as the place to release more details, but it doesn't start until September 15th. What we do now know is that the charging port for the Plug-In Prius will be just below the driver's side mirror (same side as the gas tank door). We also know that Toyota will release 200 test vehicles to Japan, 150 to the US, and another 150 to Europe to commercial and government fleets by early 2010. The plug-in Prius will be the first Toyota to use lithium-ion batteries, which are smaller, lighter and hold more charge than the nickel metal hydride cells the company has used to date. The car will charge directly from main supply, and should allow an electric-only range of about 20 miles. More importantly, the use of lithium-ion batteries will improve efficiency over the current Prius when used in conjunction with the gasoline engine. We've also learned that Toyota USA's Prius Product Manager, Doug Coleman, will be in Japan this week to learn the ins and outs of the PHEV demonstration models, and possibly more information that he'll hopefully be sharing with us soon.
     
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    Maybe Toyota will set the ECU's/computers different on each of the test cars. Maybe it will range in increments from 1 through 150. It would be interesting if two people who happen to live/work next to each other have the opposite ends of the range.
     
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    The article says: "The plug-in Prius is not expected to be built until 2011."

    Does anyone on PriusChat know when Toyota plans to make the PHEV Prius available to the public (on dealer lots) ? What do we know about this?
     
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  4. TonyPSchaefer

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    Perhaps the Europeans who receive these demo models will actually PLUG THEM IN!!
     
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    No, no one knows. As in, there is absolutely zero information available about when Toyota will deliver a PHEV Prius to the public.

    Oh, wait, I forgot... I know! ;) <ducks>

    Doug Coleman
    Prius Product Manager
    Toyota Motor Sales, USA

    PS. I will actually be in Japan next week learning all about our PHEV demonstration models... and more....
     
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    Hey, if you need any beta testers in Canada, let me know. :)
     
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    Doug,

    I know the PHEV internals are probably pretty much set in stone, but ...

    About a PHEV system...

    Sure, it's going to charge the HV battery. But it could be so much more.

    What if it had a built-in controller so you could also select OEM block
    heater timing?

    And while we're blue-skying it, there are small heating elements in the
    air conditioning system. Why not add the ability to have preselected fan
    and interior temps for a warm and toasty interior and pre-defrosted
    front/rear glass on frosty mornings?

    [Edit: Warming the interior would also warm the HV battery. IIRC, this
    would lead to lower internal resistance in the battery and provide full,
    more efficient EV mode sooner.]

    Hey, I want one of these cars, and I want it to be da bomb! :D

    Ya' gotta' reach some to stay at the leading edge. :cheer2:
     
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  8. hyo silver

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    Hey, that's a good idea. Far more useful in many climates than remote control for the cooling. Wiring in a humidity sensor shouldn't be all that difficult or expensive.
     
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    Sounds like your blowing smoke Doug, maybe someone really clever could find out but by saying no one knows you're hoping they wont look? :cool:
     
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    what happens to a PHEV when you run out the 20 mi range? Do you then go back to the 50 mpg the regular prius gets?
     
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    I don't see any reason why that would not be true. After all, once you unplug it, it's simply the exact same Prius as everyone else except with a larger battery pack.

    However, if Toyota is thinking innovative (which they likely are), the PHEV will have greater regen, and therefore will store more energy/electricity from each stop, and will be able to remain on electric longer during acceleration before switching over to the engine. This would boost MPG. Of course, the current Prius could do the same thing if regen was increased.
     
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    Quick, after him!!! hehehe...
     
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    since there's more power available now too, maybe they can at least let it be used more (think 3rd gen EV mode acceleration on all the time, and improved on top of that) in conventional hybrid mode. shouldn't be an issue since the car seems to have a good EV-mode, though performance on the electric motor only in this car remains to be seen

    i wonder if you're going down a long hill in one of these if you can completely recharge the battery pack :D no more 8-bars?
     
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    I'd be glad to chaperon Doug!
     
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    OK. Can I get in the "Me, too!" line?

    I have the perfect test-bed scenario: Half of my time I am running around town and doing my short commute (4+ miles, each way) where I can plug in. The rest of the time I'm on the road to client locations.

    As I track my mileage, I'm almost exactly 50/50 in the urban/highway driving. Going by time in the car, however, I'm more like 70/30 urban/highway driving time.

    Go ahead: Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!
     
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    I hope nano solar paint will be invented by then, so maybe it can take a sun bath instead of plugin.

    But doesn't Lithium battery only holds about 500 charge cycles?
     
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    If I remember correctly A123 batteries have been tested for over 9000 and still hold over 80% charge.
     
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    It will be interesting to know the reason why the plug location was changed.

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    My guess its beside the driver door is so people don't forget to unplug it.
     
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    Sorry for the pic, but I just had to! ok :focus:

    But that's good lithiums can last that long; may be pretty interesting for taxis as well (at a taxi stand, they can plug-in and charge)
     
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