How to Replace the Inverter Coolant Pump

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  1. Patrick Wong

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    What's your idea of a high quality antifreeze? Some people may think that green Peak antifreeze that you can buy for $5 per gallon fits into that category.

    I suggest using Toyota SLLC because of its long service life and because I as a DIYer strive to perform the same quality of service (or better) than can be obtained at a Toyota dealer. If I feel that I lack the skills or equipment to perform to that standard then I will leave the job to the dealer tech.
     
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    The service manual does NOT specifically say that. Here is a quote

    "In order to avoid technical problems, only use "Toyota Super Long Life Coolant" or similar high quality ethylene glycol based non-silicate, non-amine, non-nitrite, and non-borate coolant with long-life hybrid organic acid technology"

    If you search for a non-silicate, non-amine, non-nitrite, non-borate HOA coolant, that is a VERY short list. Absolutely *not* the cheap green stuff at the parts store
     
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    Prestone extended life is non-silicate, non-amine, non-nitrite, non-borate, is yellow, not green. I don't know what HOA (sounds like Toyota marketing) is, and but I can't see any technical reason why Prestone should cause any problems. I didn't look at other brands, the Pretone was on sale, and the cheapest thing in the store after the rebate, although I wouldn't trust any brand, any name brand for modern engines should be fine. The invertor should be even less stressful on the antifreeze then the engine. Just a bunch of tubes in the case with fluid flowing in it, with a much lower heat load then the engine. But hey, its your money, spend it anyway you like.

    Howard
     
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    The Prestone Extended Life is completely different than their cheapest green stuff that has silicates, nitrites, borates, etc. HOA : Hybrid Organic Acid.

    Not too many folks realize that the cheapest ethylene glycol stuff is very bad for modern aluminum motors. That cheap stuff would also ruin a heavy duty diesel engine, the wet cylinder liners would experience erosion, o-ring leaks, and a catastrophic failure

    What I find unusual is that different Toyota dealerships appear to charge different prices for service items, eg the premixed SLLC, the WS fluid, etc.

    I priced the Prestone Extended Life at Canadian Tire, it was undiluted and you're supposed to dilute to the correct mix. It wouldn't be a very good idea to use tap water, especially if the tap provides hard water. I'd use distilled water

    Compared to my local dealership, their premixed gallon of SLLC was $1.50 more than the undiluted Prestone stuff at Canadian Tire. At the most, I'd "save" $3 getting the Prestone stuff and doing it myself

    I'll stick with the SLLC
     
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    I have replaced the Inverter Coolant pump - by following your instructions. Now, how do I get the warning lights to go off?
     
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    I'll side with Jayman. Using 3rd party fluids sounds penny wise and pound foolish.
     
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    What warning lights?
    Were the lights on prior to your replacing the pump?
    How do you know that the lights are associated with the pump?
    What sound does the pump make, when the car is IG-ON?
    Do you note turbulence in the inverter coolant reservoir?
     
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    when I start up turn the ignition on the "PROBLEM" light comes on, along with the red caution triangle and the check engine light, I know that the lights are associated with the pump because i used a code reader and got the result " Inverter cooling system performance." the inverter doesn't rly make a noise now. it just vibrates. as to the turbulance, i don't really see it but then again by the time i got it in it was night.
     
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    Did you open the bleed valve to help get air out of the inverter coolant loop?
    How much new coolant did you add?
    After you completed the job, how long did it take for the warning lights to appear?
     
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    Did you make sure not to mix up the two hoses?
     
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    yes, i did.
    about 3 quarts.
    the lights were on before i replaced the pump. i replaced it and expected it to go off. it didn't
    yes, i was sure to not mix the hoses
     
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    How many miles on the odometer? Did your car suffer a front-end accident, by chance?

    Assuming your car logged DTC P0A93, the possible fault areas include:

    Wire harness or connector
    Inverter cooling system
    Water w/ motor & bracket pump assembly
    Cooling fan motor
    Cooling fan motor No. 2
    w/ converter inverter assembly

    If you can hear the pump running and can see turbulence in the coolant reservoir, then you will know the pump is operational. The pump sounds like an aquarium pump.

    If you do not hear and see this, then maybe you have a clog or still have air in the system - or maybe the wiring harness is bad and not providing 12VDC to the inverter coolant pump. However, if the cooling system is the only problem, the inverter should still function for a period of time after the car has rested overnight.

    If you have a voltmeter, try measuring the voltage across the 12V battery when the Prius is READY. You should see 13.8V. If you see much less than that, then the DC to DC converter within the inverter has failed and therefore the inverter must be replaced.

    The two cooling fans are counter-rotational. If the car had been in an accident, it is possible for the cooling fans to be swapped, which mean that they will rotate in the wrong directions and will not help the engine and inverter cooling systems.
     
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    about 125 k. no accident. it definatly sounds like an aquarium pump, and P0A93 is the one.
     
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    OK, if you can hear the pump running, do you hear any air bubbles in the system? If yes, then you have to continue working on purging air out of the system.

    If the pump is running quietly without air bubbles, and you see turbulence in the coolant reservoir, then the next step is to check voltage on the 12V bus (by measuring voltage across the 12V battery when the Prius is READY) to see if the inverter has a problem or not.
     
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    The pump is running quietly with no air bubbles. There were no symptoms or problems with the car before the light came on. How do I check the battery?
     
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    Hi Dale,

    You need a good digital voltmeter. Richard provided the voltage ranges that you would expect to measure across the battery when the car is IG-OFF (after a waiting period of a couple of hours, to let the battery surface charge dissipate) and READY.

    If the voltage measured when IG-OFF is low, that shows the 12V battery is weak.

    If the voltage measured when READY is low, that shows the DC to DC converter is not working.

    Although it is certainly possible that your 12V battery is weak, that would not be the reason for a P0A93 code. Since you have a code reader I assume that you tried clearing the code, but that it returned.

    Therefore, since you say the car was not in an accident and that the inverter coolant pump is operating, the continued presence of P0A93 code probably means that the DC to DC converter in the inverter is bad, or you have a clog in the system (which as a practical matter means you will have to replace the inverter anyway.)

    With 125K miles on the odometer, had the inverter coolant been replaced before now? If not, then I would say that a system clog would be quite possible.
     
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    Thank you Patrick Wong for posting the info on relacing the inverter pump.
    I have 81k on my 2006 prius and figured I better change mine before I got stuck on the road someplace.

    I bought the replacment G9020-47031 and just changed it out today.

    I had 2 problems:
    getting the electric plug disconnected and getting the old pump out.

    I took some pictures that might help others doing this repair.

    picture#1: I removed the inverter bracket my finger is pointing to, this gave me more room to work. it is just 3 bolts and the inverter is still supported by a bracket on the other side.

    picture#2 just a shot of the old pump after inverter bracket was removed.

    picture#3 I used these pliers to remove the electric connector. also see picture#8 ... I am showing how you have to squeeze the top of the electric connector to lift off the coolent pump.
    NOTE: don't squeeze to hard with the pliers because you could break the connector.
    you don't need alot of pressure.... it is just that there is no room to get your fingers in there.

    picture#4 I am showing the position of the pump and how it is removed.

    picture#5 I am showing the next step in removal of the pump.

    picture#6 I am showing the final removal position.
     

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