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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by Celtic Blue, Jun 26, 2009.

  1. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    We throw them overboard if they refuse to go on their own. If they are family or really good friends, we might compromise by towing them astern in the dingy.

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    Weird, isn't it? That implies that grass growing in "real world" conditions must be infested with mushrooms and fungus. I've developed a theory - after heavy drinking of course - that domestic lawns are purposely mixed with mushrooms, dandelions, and fungus, to ensure the giant lawn care industry (Lawn production, fertilizer production, lawn mower production, etc) remains economically healthy

    Very ironic how wild grasses have no problem thriving and being frisky, but you just look at your lawn wrong, or pee on it too much, and it turns sickly and brown

    The same Mad Men who convinced folks around 60 years ago that stuffing this little paper tube into your mouth, setting it on fire, and deeply inhaling, was GOOD for you, have now convinced us that we have to have this fragile green thing around our house

    At least despite the heavy exposure to 2,4 dichlorophenoxyacetic acid, 3,6 dichloro 2 methoxybenzoic acid (Dicamba), and methylchlorophenoxypropionic acid (Mecoprop), I don't seem to be growing any usual tumors.

    Wait a minute, whats this bump ....
     
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    Good plan
     
  4. Celtic Blue

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    If you believe the labels on grass seed, it is true! They list "weeds" as a percentage right there on the label...that and "other crops." Heavy drinking is optional.

    I've seen some pictures from Adak Island where I once lived/worked and apparently some dipstick brought some grass seed from the lower 48 up there after the base closed. There were dandelions in the grass seed. Not a smooth move.
     
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    Nope, for me its standard

    Only there briefly - about a week - with a team doing environmental assessments. Were you stationed at the old base?

    I think one could grow to like the solitude and scenery. I also liked the Barter and Barrow DEW stations
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    The nice thing about Adak is that there is a beautiful woman behind every tree, excluding the small number of stunted trees transplanted at the base commanders house (the Adak National Forest).

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  7. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    will have to check, but 2 adults and a child. laundry, average probably a load a day. she takes baths every day and wastes water like its nobody's business.

    we live in housing development and the association around here does all lawn maintenance so no watering to deal with.

    the weather has been exceedingly dry around here. yesterday was first rain fall in 2 weeks (didnt get much...less than a quarter inch) on the rain two weeks before was only a little as well and before that it was another 4-5 weeks so we are well on our way to one of the driest summers ever if it dont pick up here and there.
     
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    Dad was stationed there working in the ASWOC, so I hopped MAC flights from the lower 48 up to the base to work construction there two summers. I still remember spending the 4th of July finishing the roof in the westernmost (at the time) U.S. franchised McDonald's big freezer while the Marines from the Tarawa (IIRC) were storming the beaches. Wanted to go down and watch with everyone else, but it was our one day of summer (hit 60F) so I kept working. I would go a month at a time without a day off, but it paid for college.

    I was playing international correspondence chess tournaments at the time...against Russians, East Germans, etc. so I got some strange looks when I went to the ASWOC to pick up registered mail with cyrillic characters. One of the East Germans had to forfeit because he was in the military and his command didn't approve him sending mail to an NAS.

    It is absolutely beautiful and I would like to revisit it someday to properly explore it. I worked so much I only got a day or two to hike during a whole summer. The winds/rain and lack of trees make it an acquired taste though. The 40 F weather with 40 mph winds and rain could induce hypothermia quickly. It was easy to break or sprain an ankle in the myriad holes/underground streams in the tundra so hiking without a partner was forbidden.

    I did enjoy staring across the bay at the semi-active volcano though. It was busy venting steam regularly while I was there. Had a few "nice" 6+ quakes while I was there, missed the 7.7.
     
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    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    too bad the whole point of this thread is essentially useless. i saw a tv thing on the History Channel chronicling the pathetic state of the US infrastructure. every 3 years, civil engineers grade a few dozen areas and our average grade is a D.

    bridges are graded from 1 to 100, the bridge that collapsed in Minnesota was graded 35. well there are over 3,000 bridges standing right now that are graded in single digits.

    the water conservation thing?? in this country, 8 billion gallons of fresh water are leaked from pipes every single day. a reference point??...the entire state of California needs 7.8 billion gallons a day.

    Montgomery County, MD. remember them? yes that is the former home of the DC sniper, but its also where last winter a 66 inch water main broke which caused an instant flood washing out several miles of roads and causing a quarter billion in damage... all in one day.

    now Montgomery County is a fairly affluent area of the country. so why not fix the water pipes?? in the year 2007 alone, 4000 water mains broke. including 423 in one week alone. guess what happens when that many leaks happen?? they let it run

    sometimes leaks cause contamination. in 2003?? or so, Atlanta had a water main broke contaminating the water supply. before they could warn anyone, 400,000 people got sick, over 100 died.

    latest recommendation?? 2.2 TRILLION dollars invested in the next 5 years would bring the infrastructure grade average to a C.... (that is ignoring non structural things like the school systems, etc)

    too much money you say?? ask the relatives of the 100 people who died what an acceptable cost would be
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I fail to see how wasting less of an increasingly scarce resource is "useless."

    That would seem to be a drop in the bucket compared to the USGS estimate of 408 billion gallans/day us in 2000. Of course the 8 billion doesn't mention whether it is out of the ~43 billions a day in public water supply or if it is referring to irrigation, power production, and industrial use as well. While having water leak is indeed a waste, if it is in the piping as you state, then a large percentage will be going back into the groundwater aquifer unless it is a large obvious rupture which will soon be shut off.

    So? I've seen very large water cooling tower water mains go at the plant before and in the matter of minutes create giant holes that swallowed vehicles, underminded pipe racks and building foundations.

    I'm a little puzzled at the angle you are taking. You seem to be throwing up your hands saying don't worry about conserving because of leak rates and lumping all the cost of infrastructure improvements in with this. Considering that we use several times as much water per capita as many other developed nations, it appears that conservation IS the answer. Not that I object to identifying leakers and fixing them as well as doing leak prevention.

    Water leaks are fairly easy to check for in a residence. Typical supply leaks I have seen were in the connection to/from the meter itself. Over a dozen years ago I had a small leak before the meter. I detected it by taste and smell! Even though the water was emitting a fine spray in the box a tiny amount of soil was entering the line. While it was undetectable in the water visually, I began to smell it when showering and taste it when pulling water from the tap. This led me to examine the water meter and discover the leak. I had noticed the grass being a bit more lush there in recent weeks, but it was in a low shaded spot so it was not entirely unusual.

    One of the things that I dislike about our utility bill is that the sewer rate is a fixed flat fee. There is not even a portion of the sewer rate based on water consumption, so I'm spending about a third more per month for sewer than for water with no way to get credit for reducing the sewer load. Granted for lawn irrigation (as many do) a chunk of water use is going to the storm sewer, but there is still a cost associated with that--especially now that there is debate about not crediting grass and lawns as being permeable for runoff and retention, because they are overwatered.
     
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    Well, I for one don't see Dave 'throwing his hands up' and saying 'don't worry'. I, too, saw that documentary on the infrastructure and was pretty shocked. The facts don't make me want to give up; rather, it motivates me to do more. And it fuels my frustration with our leaders and government who are penny-wise and pound-foolish with this, and so many other critical infrastructure decisions (can you say 'Katrina'?).

    Folks, we're all sailing on the Titanic. Some will get lifeboats, many will not.
     
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    Oh, you were there entirely too long. Seek help
     
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    I have the lack of good taste and poor tact to also mention that women always appear to be in the bathroom. They must have bladders the size of Chicklets

    Gotcha. I was only very briefly there, never left the base as the Operable Unit investigations were concentrated at the POL farm. Other teams checked out suspected POL caches and dumps, some dated to WW II

    The teams who got to explore were checking for UXO's. Although one can always hope that +50 year old UXO is relatively safe, I wouldn't bet the farm on it

    I've been saying that for +12 years now. When you get right down to it, nobody cares about our vast mostly hidden infrastructure. Mention that we have sewer pipes old and rotted out, you get a Deer In The Headlights look

    Mention the VAST majority of our potable water network is also ancient, rotted out, and prime for a major disease outbreak, the same Deer In The Headlights look.

    Instead of having regular maintenance funding allocated each and every single year, many decades worth of local city corrupt politicians, state officials, and Federal officials, instead pissed away the money on graft/bribe and pork projects that have zero benefit to you and I

    We don't appear to have any problem "justifying" being do-gooders and sticking our noses in all the wrong places, all over the world. We don't appear to have any problem wasting money on frills and entertainment. Don't even get me started on bailing out incompetent businesses

    But for some reason, nobody is willing to demand we fix this problem

    And for THAT reason, I no longer provide consulting services to the water treatment or wastewater treatment industry. Most of the problem was dealing with incompetent, downright retarded local politicians of various flavors. The rest had to deal with hypocritical and ignorant Joe Public

    Ok, do what? I don't exactly see any national forums that are demanding we fix our disgraceful infrastructure

    How about folks who think nothing of sticking their noses in affairs far removed from us, for no gain whatsoever? But these same folks shriek when you mention trying to fix just our potable water distribution system, as it would mean an increase in taxes
     
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    Since we have a well, I dont know how many gallons we use, but we dont waste water either since it is very heavy in iron content and salt and iron remover is expensive. We dont water the lawn, and if we wash a car it is with a power washer, and the horses all have auto waterers which hold about a quart when not flowing. My wife and I shower together, and the small ones get bathed together, while the teenager spends less than 10 minutes total in the bathroom when he showers. Our biggest two uses is washing the dishes, the darn kid lets the water run too long, and washing clothes on the weekend. With 6 people in the house and 4 bathroom, we only need to have our septic tank pumped every two years or so, and its a little small for the number of bathrooms.
     
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    Which is why toilet paper usage goes way up when you get married. Female TP usage patterns often require special paper dispensers featuring high temperature bearings and active cooling systems: "PFptwwwwwhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddd, rip, PFptwwwwwhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddd, rip, PFptwwwwwhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddd, rip..." (sound of paper roll spinning as TP is removed) "...Honey! Can you get me some more toilet paper!"

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    Man you nailed that one, before I got married a roll would last a month or more, now two or three a week!
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    According to Mental Floss, the average American uses 54 squares of TP per day. You can bet that average has a gender related distribution.

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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Walkerton was too long ago to remain in people's minds. A few simple, quiet acts of civil disobedience involving a reservoir or three will fix that. :ph34r:

    Any mention of the correlation between TP use and butt size? :bolt:
     
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    At least the French did have one bright idea, Bidet anyone?