New VW TDI Commercial disses PRIUS

Here are some sales numbers I was able to come up with off of the internet .

There were 8,269,351 trucks and SUVs sold ( Loophole vehicles ) , making for a total of 16,153,952 new vehicles sold in 2007.
In 2007 & 2008 Model Years VW sold not one , "0" units of , none 2007 or 2008 Model Years light duty diesels in the US . ~50 % of what was sold were loophole vehicles

So of the 16,135,952 units of 2007 MY vehicles sold 0 were light duty diesels from VW that main seller of light duty diesels over the last 24 years .

8,434,769 trucks and SUVs sold ( loophole vehicles ) , making for a total of 16,961,650 new vehicles sold in 2006 . Again ~50 % of US vehicle sales were loophole class .

In 2006 MY VW & MB sold 35,000 - 40,000 US spec light duty diesels . MB was the only seller of light duty diesels in the US in this MY counting in the few 1,000s included in that rather generous 35-40 k unit number .

So out of ~17,000,000 units of new vehicle sales for 2006 MY 0.2 % were light duty diesels . Again out Of that ~17,000,000 only 35-40k were light duty diesels . Less than 1 % ( ~0.2 %) of total US vehicle sales were light duty diesels .

The % of loophole vehicles of total sales gets higher the closer you get to the late 90s sales numbers .

Over the last 24 years there have 6 years when light duty diesel sales in the US were "0" % , that is not one unit was sold here over that 6 year period by anyone not even VW . MB has had 8+ years during this time when they sold no units here in the US .

So in the years when VW light duty diesels sales peaked we were still well below that 1 % of total US vehicle sales . VW the main light duty diesel seller here along with MB the only other seller after 1986 . MB the only ever selling in few 1,000s of unit sales per year that they were sold here during this time .

With both sellers figured in the total US sales numbers of light duty diesels during peak sales years it was still below 1 % ( in the 0.7 % range ) of total US vehicle sales in peak sales years .

This one is the biggie , So over the last 24 years light duty diesel sales have made up an average of 0.2 % or less of total vehicle sales in the US .


So Again , I get it we all want cleaner air but Out of less than 0.2 % of total vehicle sales over the last 24 years where is the clean air to be had from the over regulation of light duty diesel emissions ????????????

 

So, before I remove the Ignore, has Dreamer actually posted verifiable data?

 

Advertising is a form of legal mind control. I like to control my own mind and make my own decisions. Thats why I bought a Prius and not a Golf.

Also, comparative advertising is illegal in South Africa so such an ad wouldnt fly. In general I am impressed with some of VWs designs, but not their reliability.

 

Just the same old Dreamer post about loopholes, jayman. A bit about sales numbers that somebody could verify if they wanted, but it's not particularly interesting. I'm close to pushing the ignore button myself, something I've never done before.

 

In the US and Canada, you will find advertising that is illegal or highly restricted in other countries.

Like the commercial for the new Dodge Ram pickup, where they go charging through mud, jumping the vehicle, etc, but in teeny tiny fine print: "Warning: never operate your vehicle this way"

Or the commercial for various cars where they go driving like absolute f***ing idiots, screeching around corners, doing handbrake turns, etc, but in fine print: "Warning: never drive your car this way. Professional driver on closed course"

So we can "thank" the Mad Men who dream up this s*** for putting that sort of behaviour into ignorant, idiot drivers. Of course, as long as the ignorant idiot driver wraps himself around a pole or tree, and removes himself from the gene pool without harming innocent civillians, I'm ok with that

Don't even get me started on deranged "entertainment" like "Fast and Furious."

 

It is pushing me closer to heavy drinking, not like I ever need an excuse for THAT

 

Sounds like time for a science experiment!

 

I have not seen a SINGLE new Jetta TDI out on the roads here, only a few older MKIV Golf TDIs. Diesels in America are still ruled indirectly by Cummins, Navistar, and Isuzu via the Detroit 3. Mercedes is starting to make a few inroads by way of the Dodge Sprinter.

 

I found some loophole art.

 

I made comparison graphs. As a bonus, I added the Insight, Prius and Lexus 250h as well. The Insight has two versions. I assume SULEV is sold in CARB states only.






Overall Summary:


Is modern TDI (Clean Diesel) cleaner than a comparable gasoline car?
No, CARB actually rate the Civic cleaner (Ultra Low Emission vs. Low Emission).

Why did the TDI get the green car award?
No idea.

Gas-electric hybrids are in a league of it's own, especially the Prius and HS 250h because they are mid-size cars. The rest are compact cars.

 

I never need encouragement for THAT science experiement!

 

Isn't the TDI is also a ULEV?

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/pcldtmdv/2009/volkswagen_pc_a0070279_2d0_u2_diesel.pdf

 

The first link you gave me shows LEV. This one shows ULEV.

LEV was tested on June 6th 2008. ULEV was tested on July 2nd 2008. My guess is that they made improvement? When did it go on sale? Hopefully after ULEV certification.

Darn, I may have to do the graphs all over again.

 

I would take the whole LEV thing with a grain of salt. I mean, a (17/23 mpg,turboed out, 305hp) WRX STi gets a LEV2 rating.

 

I added Jetta TDI ULEV and Subaru WRX STI. It looks like the revised Jetta TDI reduced Nitrogen Oxide but at the expense of Carbon Monoxide, Non-Methane Organic Gases, and Particulate Matter. It was clearly done to get a better label.

I will not make any comment about WRX STI as the graphs speak for themselves.

 

Direct comparison of Jetta Gasoline vs. Diesel. A definite answer to which is cleaner is the gasoline.

 

The evaporative emissions from the vehicles need to be included (they're available on the certification sheets - e.g., three-day diurnal, running loss, etc.)

 

The more other cars try to compare themselve to the Prius, the more people will want the Prius.

 

Awesome stuff.

Just for giggles... can you throw the Civic Hybrid II into the graphs, since some see it more of a better matched competitor for the TDI Jetta than the Prius is.

Cheers;

MSantos

 

They are exactly the same for both Jetta gas and diesel.