Why Is This So Rare?

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by DaveinOlyWA, May 5, 2009.

  1. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    cruising home the back back way from Seattle and purposefully went thru the "Roy Y" which is a major county intersection out in the middle of nowhere where there happens to be a park and ride. reason is been thru there many times but never had my camera with me. on way home from seeing "Walking With Dinosaurs" so swung by to snap a few pics

    now, like i said, this is next to Ft. Lewis and a good 20 miles from Tacoma on the way to the thriving metropolis (thriving as much as it can for a town of about 15,000 anyway!!) of Yelm, WA...

    now, is it that expensive to do this in many many more places?? if not, why is there not more of this type of thing around??

    granted its small, if you cant tell, there are two batteries attached to each pole and a wind generator of that size wont do much... but lets face it, are we in a position where we can afford to turn down help of any size?
     

    Attached Files:

  2. efusco

    efusco Moderator Emeritus
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2003
    19,891
    1,194
    9
    Location:
    Nixa, MO
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Gotta believe cost is the reason, not to mention maintenance, repair when vandalized or weather damage.

    I love the hybrid solar/wind idea there, but it's costly to construct them...just a hunch guess is that just one system like that has to run $1000.
     
  3. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    ya maybe it would seem expensive...especially when to run the lights would probably only be around what? $25 a month... would take several years to pay it back... but these things are like 25 feet off the ground... vandalism is not something i would worry about.

    and hopefully we are talking a good design where only the batteries would need replacing on a regular interval. still it is just so hard to quantify the value of "no consequence" energy
     
  4. carz89

    carz89 I study nuclear science...

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    444
    47
    0
    Location:
    San Diego
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    $1000 seems like a ballpark price for a regular street light & post. I don't know for sure, but I would guess that these special street lights would be on the order of $3000-$5000 each.

    Sure, the size of the wind and solar components seem too small to power a standard 400-1000 watt high-intensity street light bulb. But with 1/4 or 1/3 the power, you can substitute an equally-bright LED lamp. They're starting to make them now for street lighting. I'll bet the one shown in the OP picture uses LEDs.

    Cost savings: no trench to dig for electrical power supply; no electric bill. If LED lamp used, significantly longer lifetime (less maintenance)
     
  5. PriusLewis

    PriusLewis Management Scientist

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2009
    1,002
    84
    7
    Location:
    Denver Metro
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Couldn't tell from the pics, but is there any sign of an antenna? Around here there are remote weather stations that are solar powered that report to a central location periodically. What looks like a wind generator is a wind speed and direction indicator. Not to say that is what this is, but just a thought.
     
  6. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    seen a lot of remote weather stations and not sure that i can say that any of them are anywhere near that big these have wingspan probably close to 6 feet. weather stations also have cups on the end i think to more accurately measure low wind speeds. seems to me that these we see here would not even spin unless the wind was blowing at least 5-10 mph or even more.

    the pic seems clear enough to me that the generator body shape seems to be pretty unmistakable. but i dont know, maybe it seems that way because i want it to be.

    there is also a motion detector on it to not waste power i am guessing
     
  7. Flying White Dutchman

    Flying White Dutchman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2007
    4,374
    313
    0
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    i see this more and more

    also used for road sign's( with LED signs in it ) now. the temp. one's

    just place it anywhere and it will work.
     
  8. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    ya nearly every flashing light in a school zone has the solar panel with no battery that i can see. but they would only be on primarily during daylight anyway
     
  9. jayman

    jayman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    13,439
    641
    0
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    That looks like a LED street light. No way that setup could power a HPS or HID slipfitter for very long. I did come across this, looks very similar

    Municipal Solar Lighting

    Which is about twice what a conventional slipfitter streetlight costs. However, by the time you factor in underground wiring and install, the costs close in.
     
  10. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    lol Jay... ya around here, them batteries would be gone before the installers had finished putting their tools away if they were located that close to the ground...

    but will say that other than the wind generator, they do look pretty much identical
     
  11. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    in answer to your question... here is a close up. now the recycle symbol could mean that its made from recycle-able materials i guess. but i dont think that is the case here
     

    Attached Files:

  12. JSH

    JSH Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    2,605
    140
    0
    Location:
    PDX
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    The light kits in your link say "pole sold separately". The pole is $1500. That makes it $4500 for a street light.

    This document (page 18) puts a standard light at $405 for the light, $798 for installation, and about $17 per month for electricity.
    https://www.firstenergycorp.com/files/JCPL_Municipal_Lighting_Handbook_Final.pdf

    I would say that explains why we don't see more solar powered LED street light. Very few places are far enough from power to justify the additional cost.
     
  13. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    so how exactly do we assign a cost to anything?? and IF they were common, installed by the hundred of thousands or even millions, would they still cost that much?

    sorry, but we can not discuss ROI until we know the true cost of our inaction to address the current energy, ecological and financial issues we face
     
  14. JSH

    JSH Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    2,605
    140
    0
    Location:
    PDX
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Municipalities assign cost as the amount of money they pay for financing, installation, maintenance, and electricity. Right or wrong that is how they calculate costs.

    If a municipality wanted to reduce electricity use and pollution they would also need to look at the alternative uses for the money they have available. How many power hungry sodium-vapor lights could be replaced with energy efficient LED lights for the cost of a single solar light module? I suspect that for most urban and suburban locations LED lights hooked up to conventional municipal power would save more energy per $.
     
  15. tripp

    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2005
    4,717
    79
    0
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    agreed. In more remote areas the solar/wind combo is the only practical solution, but as JSH points out, municipalities will gain a lot more by simply using far more efficient bulbs.
     
  16. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    i guess i cant understand why this has to be a local issue. there are so many negative consequences with our not moving to renewable energy as quickly as possible.

    should it be considered a risk to national security?? well, i think we are already there. too much money is simply going outside our borders and then being used against us.
     
  17. JSH

    JSH Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    2,605
    140
    0
    Location:
    PDX
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    It is a local issue because it is local municipalities that control street lights. I don't see the federal government getting much support if they roll out a plan to replace all street lights with LEDs.

    I think you are confusing our dependency of foreign oil with electricity use. The majority of oil used to power our cars comes from foreign sources while the VAST majority of our power is generated from domestic fuels.

    I see oil dependency as a huge national security risk. However, the majority of the public does not. The last administration thought the solution of oil dependency was to invade an oil producing country. We haven't yet seen what if anything the current administration will do about it.
     
  18. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
  19. patsparks

    patsparks An Aussie perspective

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2007
    10,664
    567
    0
    Location:
    Adelaide South Australia
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    They are everywhere here.
    I have a park and ride a few km away and there are several across Adelaide. A lot of bigger train stations have lots of parking spaces.
    I'd use the Park and Ride but my shifts and the distance I need to travel would mean the minimum travel time on the bus would be 2 hours instead of the 1 I allow now. It can be as high as 3 hours each way depending on shift timing.
     
  20. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    18,058
    3,076
    7
    Location:
    Northern Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    In this area, many of the pit toilets in the parks are solar powered. They use a small fan to circulate air, which really cuts down on the stink, especially on a warm, calm day. I also see many solar powered traffic signals.

    Tom