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Noob questions on a 2008

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  1. RobRat

    RobRat New Member

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    First post, don't whoop up on me too bad...I've done some searches, and have had a number of my questions answered. Great site, lots of great information and contributors here!

    I'm thinking of buying a low mile 2008 or 2009 Prius, to replace our 2001 PT Cruiser that we have put 205,000 miles on without any major hiccups. (its really been a great car) We have been finding used 2008 Prius' commonly listed with 25,000 miles, some with less. Hoping to find a 2008 or 2009 with under 10,000 miles, so we can get something a little cheaper than new with the hard depreciation knocked off, but get at least a years' warranty to cover any bugs.

    1) Buying it for my wife's commute, hoping to gain some fuel mileage, and drive a cool car doing it. My wifes daily commute consists of: PA 4 lane interstate- -up and down some hills, at 70MPH for 36 miles, then another 12 miles of 0 to 40 mph slow cruise/stop and go traffic. 50 MPG average would be great - Is her daily commute a good match to maximize the MPG potential of a Prius?

    2) I am planing to have a car dealer friend of mine buy one for me at an exclusive wholesale dealer auction, and as such I would not be able to be there, as I am personally not an exclusive dealer person. I would like him to bring home a car with package 3 or higher - is there any quick and dirty way to tell the option package the car is equipped with? Do the buttons on the steering wheel tell you? Or do they all have the same steering wheel buttons, and some of them are just non-functional on lower models?

    3) Factory warranty- -are there any conditions of a wholesale auction car that would void the factory 3 year/36,000 mile warranty?

    4) Should I run the PT Cruiser for another year, hope it makes it to 240,000 miles and buy a 2010 Prius?


    Thanks!

    Rob
     
  2. richard schumacher

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    A Prius is the last car I'd buy at auction. You need to search the VIN to make certain it's not a salvage and pay a Toyota technician to thoroughly check out the car before you buy it.

    Have you test driven one? A few people can't stand the seats.
     
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    JimboK One owner, low mileage

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    1) The 70 MPH highway bit is gonna cost you. With that alone, you'd be hard-pressed to get into the mid-40s. If she can slow down, fuel economy will improve.

    With the sub-40 MPH segment you'll improve for the overall trip, but it's hard to say whether it will top 50 without knowing more about that segment. Best case for that would be consistent opportunities for pulse and glide (has that popped up in your searches?). With practice she could easily top 60 MPG and more for that segment. Worst case would be mostly stop and go in temperature extremes with the cabin heat (in winter) or AC (in summer) running. In that case, 40 MPG probably is optimistic.

    2) Can't comment. The packages change year-to-year, and I can't keep track of them all.

    3) Can't comment about an auction car, not being very familiar with what might turn up at at auction.

    4) I personally think this is a good time to buy a new Prius or a used one with good maintenance records. There are reports of actual discounts off MSRP for new ones, which mostly has been unheard of in recent past. That almost certainly will go away if gasoline prices spike above $3 or $4 a gallon again. True, the 2010 has some nice features and improvements that the previous generation doesn't have. If you wait, you might pay for it. But then again, you may not. Your choice.
     
  5. RobRat

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    I have test driven a 2008, and it seemed to be comfortable enough, and seemed to fit both me and my wife well. I'm 6'0", and my wife is 5'10" and we didn't feel cramped. When you're used to sitting on 200,000 mile seats, anything feels better.... Our PT Cruiser is a bit more cramped than the Prius. The PT has a bit more vertical room under the hatch, but not a lot.

    Yes, that is the problem with the auction. You got 1 hour from the time its hammered off, to reject it. The seller has to declare up front if it was reconstructed, or there is driveline faults, etc., so you have some assurances of what you're getting. You do have to watch out for bodywork and paint. The savings can be substantial however- -but yeah, something screwed up can eat that up- -hence the warranty question. Better to buy new then? Are there a good % of lemons with Prius?
     
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    If you are used to buying at auction or take someone with you who is well versed in such I see no problem. If on the other hand you have problems (not reported) then the savings could be eaten up in repairs.

    As far as lemons go.. the Prius has been named a "best-buy" in consumer report. Outside of standard maintenance (tires, brakes, oil changes, etc.) there aren't a whole bunch of issues with this vehicle.

    The differences you might notice on vehicles primarily will be:

    Navigation/JBL/6/bluetooth vs non-nav/single CD
    Fog Lamps vs. No Fog Lamps
    HID Headlamps vs. Standard Halogen
    Leather interior vs. Cloth

    There are some minor cosmetic things, if memory serves me correct, and a touring edition with upgraded wheels and suspension. Overall, though the base model drives the same as one with leather, nav, and all the other goodies.

    Many of these vehicles are sold without floor-mats and cargo covers. Hopefully those will be there for you. In addition many are sold at auction with only one key. If you only get one key try and make sure it has a "Silver" toyota emblem on it. If it has a black emblem you will not be able to enjoy the Smart Key feature. Extra keys are costly.

    You might check out John's website. He has great information on packages, colors, maintenance etc..

    John's Stuff - Toyota Prius and more

    Best of Luck!
     
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    Can you get a warranty on an auctioned Prius? Buying a used Prius is the one time I would get an extended warranty; so much can be wrong with one that's been in an accident it'll make you ill. $10,000 car -> $15,000 car.
     
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    Noob here, too. I have been toying with a used Prius as well, but don't have a friend in the car business. There seems to be a wide fluctuation in prices, but I have seen alot of "reduced" prices now on the waiver wire (Autotrader and Cars.com). I think many dealers had hoped that gas would be at $3 by now, and would try to gouge the naive buyer. Could you get an iPhone and check the VIN with a carfax before you bid? If a car is within the 3 year warranty, I'm pretty sure that it would qualify for the discounted warranty through Warranty Shack (Troy). I would definitey get the warranty due to high priced electronic components that are out of the bumper-bumper. As far as body work, I saw a 2005 with 50K (pack 5/nav) and a 2006 with 36K (nav) today on lots that had the heck scratched out of them. And the dealers were asking 15K and 17K respectively!

     
  9. RobRat

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    My wife is a bit uncomfortable with the auction idea, and it does have its risks. In some ways, whats the difference buying used at a dealer? All depends on the dealer, and how they handle a problem IF you have any. Cars are pretty reliable these days, but I work with farm equipment, and know that every once in a while, machines break down for no fault of anyone- -_ _ it happens.

    We're now looking at a "Toyota Certified Pre-owned" low mile 2007, with under 10k miles, and looks to be well equipped for $18,000. (JBL speakers, but no NAV) I'll probably spring for the extened warranty before the third year or 36K expires- -with my wifes commute, and weekend miles we put on, we put 30,000 miles a year on a car, so we'll get there soon one way or another.

    Buying cars drives me nuts, lots of money out, and a payment every month. Crossing fingers for a reliable car, that saves us money on gas, AND that my wife's employer don't go under. If the Prius gives us fuel economy in the 45-50mpg range, it will work out great. I tend to hang on to cars for a long time, and I like seeing the 200K+ mile cars out there on this forum. My 2001 PT has 205K miles on it, and has been a great car (I've spent about $2000 on repairs excluding tires and oil in that time)- -hoping the Prius runs as good as an "ahem" Chryster product.....
     
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    One thing I have noticed is that dealers will jack up the prices for certified pre-owned used. I have seen the same car on a chevy or ford lot for about a grand less. If you want the extended warranty, then, what do you need a "certified" car for? They only give you a powertrain for 100k miles. I have seen toyota dealers list a price for an '05 with 60k miles for $19 grand! I think that they could get more money on a higher mileage vehicle just for making it CPO. But the car you described seems like a good deal.
     
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    Hate to troll, but I disagree with JIMBOK here.
    I have a 2008 with only 5 k mi on it that I have driven on four 200+ mile trips with at highway speeds ranging from 67-80 mph. (Florida highways). I'm averaging 50.2 mpg on these trips according to MFU computer and good old mind math at the pump.
    If you can get a 2008 with less than 10k mi, do it. Mine rocks :rockon:
     
  12. JimboK

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    Are you really looking to troll or are you just disagreeing? There is a substantial difference. I don't respond to trolls, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here since this appears to be genuine disagreement.

    Florida's highways and climate are considerably different from Pennsylvania's. Cooler temperatures and hilly terrain can easily cost several MPG.

    The Prius MPG Simulator predicts 44.9 MPG under the following conditions:

    • 70 MPH, constant speed
    • Level terrain, smooth dry pavement
    • No winds
    • 54F outside air temperature (the average daily temperature for Harrisburg, PA for 2008, according to Weather Underground)
    • 300# load, driver and cargo
    • No climate control use
    • Goodyear Integrity tires inflated to 44/42
    Add a few hills and any wind and it will drop considerably. The simulator can't adjust for hills, but it does for winds: A 5 MPH head or cross-wind reduces it by about 3 MPG.

    I stand by my assertion.