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Help me identify a 10mm hex 'drain' plug?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by jsorger, Mar 24, 2009.

  1. jsorger

    jsorger New Member

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    Probably a very basic question for many of you - I was looking to change my transaxle fluid and had the necessary 10mm hex wrench.

    I located the inverter coolant drain plug as well as the transaxle drain plug. However, I couldn't locate the transaxle fill bolt. I have since done that (and know it is a 24mm bolt).

    But before I located it, looking up the side of the CVT (on the driver's side), I noticed another 10mm hex bolt, which I promptly undid. Mistake! Slight vacuum hissing noise. A bearing followed by a spring (or vice versa) plopped right onto my eye. Followed by a metal cylinder. A couple of drops of CVT oil (I think) dripped out as well). Great lubrication for my contacts...

    My question - what is this bolt? I realize my description is somewhat vague, but when you look up at the car from underneath there are very few 10mm plugs. And in what order do I replace it? Cylinder-ball-spring or cylinder-spring-ball?

    Thanks,
    Jonathan
     
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    Is it in this pic? This is what I use to change my PSD fluid. red is coolant drain, blue is PSD drain and green is PSD fill. Hopefully someone else can comment on your 'other' plug, not sure what it may be. Hobbit has this pic and many other helpful Prius pics at: Hobbit's techie-rants
     

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  3. jsorger

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    Nope - it's up here (see green arrow). On the side.
     

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    Looks like the end of the transmission oil pump cover sub-assembly. Could be the 'fluid pump cover plug', which is removed to inspect the oil pressure. If removed, it should be replaced with a new O-ring and torqued to 65 inch-pounds/7.4 newton-metres.

    The manual doesn't say anything about a ball and cylinder in there, though. It doesn't show the oil pump cover from that angle - there's another lump which could be a different bolt, possibly the one you removed.
     
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    May be a pressure relief valve but this is an uneducated Aussie guess. Looks like the end plate for the lube oil pump.
     
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    For some reason, All Data is vague on this part. It *is* part of the oil pump.

    I'm going with Pat's guess it's the pressure relief in the oil pump. You should be able to clean and replace the sleeve, ball and spring, and tighten down the plug again

    Of course, if this is the relief sleeve, ball/spring, get it in wrong and you could ruin the mechanical parts of the transaxle ...
     
  7. jsorger

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    Thanks all - I was/am curious.
    The liquid that dripped on me looked/smelled like CVT fluid not engine oil.

    Looking up I noted a small hole when the bolt was released.

    Pressure relief valve makes sense, and if so, I am guessing that the ball sits up against the hole, and is pushed down onto the spring in the event of high pressure. That was my main guess as well so I decided on sleeve - ball - spring. Sleeve - spring - ball might be the right way - either way nothing will be 'loose' and can escape into the transaxle.

    But any more info would be greatly appreciated!
     
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    jsorger New Member

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    But given this, Jayman:

     
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    From the TCH FSM, there is no ball bearing in the transaxial oil pump pressure release valve, only a spring and a cylinder. I will be very careful to put the pieces back in the correct order.
    You mentioned the ball bearing came out first, I would suspect this will go in last, cylinder-spring-ball-bolt.
     
  10. jayman

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    We need somebody to chime in who actually has a Techinfo subscription. Not available to Canadians, I should sue for discrimination
     
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    Thanks for the disturbing info... I suspect the bearing came out first, but it was difficult to tell since while recovering from my eye-poke I noticed the spring lying on my shirt.

    Someone with a techinfo subscription weighing in would be great...
     
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    I looked at the Toyota repair manual section that deals with the transaxle. None of the exploded parts diagrams show this sleeve, spring, or ball.
     
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    Hmmm. I thought that maybe All Data might have been missing something. So the Techinfo has nothing?

    The information provided when you click on a detail of that end of the transaxle is pretty vague. I wonder if on purpose?
     
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    Leaving aside why you'd go for a hex fitting so high up on the
    transaxle when looking for the *drain* plug, especially when the
    right plug is visible in your picture, what you wound up at is
    clearly part of the transaxle-fluid circulation path and is one
    of the passages to/from the pump. The ball and spring is probably
    a check valve. I would suggest giving the area a hard look to
    determine which surface the ball would be most likely to seat
    against to make a seal, and insert it and the spring in the
    correct order to restore that functionality. I went through
    a batch of my old training-session pictures and unfortunately
    I don't have anything detailed enough for that end of the transaxle
    although I *did* spend a bit of time trying to figure out the
    actual circulation path that the pump drives. For the most part
    it's up into the end of the shafts assembly and down its center
    hole, seeping out along the way into various bearings, if that
    helps identify the correct flow direction at all.
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    _H*
     
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    Since these parts do not appear in the transaxle exploded parts diagram, my guess is that the OP should insert the parts in this order: first the ball, then the spring, then the sleeve, and then insert and tighten the bolt (along with the O-ring). As Hobbit said, the OP should inspect the hole with a bright light to determine how the ball is intended to create a seal.

    My further guess is that the sleeve is intended to have an "interference fit" with the hole that it came out of, but the OPs transaxle has a larger hole (or the sleeve has a smaller outer diameter) than designed, so the parts fell out. Maybe the OP can comment on whether this theory seems to fit his visual inspection of the parts.
     
  16. jsorger

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    I can't leave it aside when you assume the wrong thing... I was looking for a fill plug, which should logically be above the drain plug.

    "I located the inverter coolant drain plug as well as the transaxle drain plug. However, I couldn't locate the transaxle fill bolt. I have since done that (and know it is a 24mm bolt)."

    Thanks for the suggestions. I'll be over at my father's place later this week and will take his apart (slowly, and carefully!) and report back.

    For the record, here is a crude drawing of what the inside looks like: Looking up through the hole, a small opening is seen - probably goes to the transaxle. The sleeve, which fits into the hole has two holes, slightly smaller than the ball. I assume that the ball is pushed to allow fluid to pass through one or both of the holes. There must be a side exit in the chamber for the pressure to 'relieve' to but it is difficult to see looking straight up.
     

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    Well, s*** happens, I wouldn't get too fired up over it.

    I like your plan of checking out your father's Prius. I'm sure you will be extra, *extra* careful not to have parts flying off, like that time when I was a kid and managed to lose the metering rod hanger on my Dad's Impala

    I'd never use contacts working around vehicles. If you have a pair of real glasses, use them, they can actually save your eyes from oil or chemical splashes
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    My favorite is when you turn on a bolt and it doesn't back out, so you turn some more, and then you hear something fall off inside... :eek:

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    Oh, that's happened to you too?

    Picture the bald 800 lb gorilla hearing that distinctive noise, realizing the "simple" repair job just turned into a major disassembly process, and then screaming the F Bomb at whatever that bolt was attached to.

    Then picture the 800 lb gorilla shaking the ratchet at the bolt in a threatening manner, as if *that* would ever fix anything ...
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I laughed so hard at this I have tears in my eyes. My stars, I have done exactly that on many occasions. I don't swear a lot, but I have a long chained-together litany of cussing that rolls freely from my tongue when something like this happens. My wife just looks at me and says "Jesus! Get a grip. It's not that important." She doesn't understand the cussedness of inanimate things.

    Tom