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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by ken1784, Mar 11, 2009.

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  1. ken1784

    ken1784 SuperMID designer

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     The term HSD and THS II are the same.
    I agree. The chart is not shown the best fuel economy.
    It shows in the real world including start&stop, uphill&downhill, cold&hot climate and others.
    One of my data is 27.5km/L at 85km/h.

    Ken@Japan

     
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    I'm doubtful about the same suspension settings.
    We'll know suspension parts numbers when they are released.

    Ken@Japan
     
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    Hi Bob-san,
    Thank you for your comments.
    I think the chart is not so precise, but the new engine looks more efficient.
    I believe it's not an easy project to implement the cooled EGR system in your NHW11.
    I think it's also true to modify our Prius as plug-in by an amateur technician. :)

    Ken@Japan
     
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    FYI,
    Japanese newspaper reported that the pricing for Japanese 2010 Prius will be starting at 2,050,000yen which is 12% less than the current Prius (2,331,000yen) to compete the Honda Insight.

    Japanese Asahi newspaper article;
    2050kyen new Prius pricing

    The official price will be available late March.

    Ken@Japan
     
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    Even with a near zero CD, you still have drivetrain losses and rolling resistance that increase with speed.
     
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    12 % less?? wow i hope this will be the case here to..:rockon:
     
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    Not here, they've already indicated the new NZ and Aus models (even the base ones) will be more than current generation models
     
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    2,331,000 yen = $24,206
    2,050,000 yen = $21,288

    However, the base JDM Prius looks like it is quite stripped of equipment as compared to the US Prius II model.
     
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    Maybe. A moonroof is a heavy piece of equipment (glass + seal + elec motors + plastic wind deflector + metal holder/reinforcement etc etc)

    wow... Not bad. I doubt that'll be the case here. They'd rather add more equipment than drop the price.
     
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    How is that compare to the Insight price? If I remember correctly, the Insight is under 2 million yen right?
     
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    Honda Insight is starting at 1,890,000yen.
    But, it has steel wheels, no SKS and no side curtain air-bags.

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    A comparison between JDM 2G/3G Prius & 2G Insight on engine cap, mileage, EV ability, dateline and pricing.

    Taken from the same Asahi source. Don't you guys love competition? :D

    [​IMG]
     
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    That's news to me, I asked face to face with Toyota Marketing just 2 weeks ago and they didn't know.
     
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    Following is an English article about the pricing...
    Toyota to price new Prius hybrid 300,000 yen lower than current model

    The article also says "Japan's top automaker also plans to launch a small all-new hybrid with a price tag of less than 2 million yen in around 2011 in Japan, the sources added."
    This new hybrid will compete Honda Insight directly.

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    Mini Prius! That should be very interesting.
     
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    The difference is about $1,600 but Prius comes with more standard options. Those options could cost $1,600 so there is no price difference at all.
     
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    do i read EV 5 with the insight and EV 3 with the prius?
    so is the assisted ev range for the IMA insight longer......:eek:
     
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    Another excerpt from the same article: "The all-new hybrid is expected to have an engine displacement of less than 1.5 liter and will share many components with the Prius to cut down on costs, the sources said."

    Does Toyota even produce a four-cylinder gasoline engine smaller than 1.5L now?

    What surprises me is how many hybrid power trains have been developed by Toyota over the past few years:

    1.5L: NHW10, NHW11, NHW20 Prius versions
    1.8L: ZVW30 (2010 Prius)
    2.4L: Camry
    3.3L: Highlander and Lexus RX400h; FWD and 4WD-i versions
    3.5L: Lexus GS
    5.0L: Lexus LS

    Think about the engineering and validation test time required to design each one of these. Then consider all of the effort required to manufacture each version, especially considering the very small unit volume sold for the Lexus models.

    Each transaxle is different. The control electronics are different. The traction battery designs are different. How can they produce the Lexus hybrid-specific components at small unit volumes and make any return on investment?

    Its pretty clear that Toyota has a huge investment in hybrid technology and that we are going to continue to see Toyota hybrid drivetrains for a very long time.
     
    #38 Patrick Wong, Mar 13, 2009
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    They've just added a 1.33L engine for the Yaris and Auris. The iQ is going to get a 1.33L engine as well, but I don't know if it's the same one - iQ and Aygo are designed around 3-cylinder engines, although the Aygo is available with a four-cylinder 1.4L diesel. (It's actually a Ford engine coming from Toyota's partners, Peugeot/Citroen.) The iQ is wider than the Aygo so should also be able to accept an I4.

    It should be possible to use the hybrid's torque-balancing function to improve the smoothness of a 3-cylinder design - after all, Honda's original Insight managed it.

    Bear in mind, though, that the Atkinson cycle (which is used by all of Toyota's new hybrids) effectively reduces the useful combustion chamber volume, by about a third, because of the late intake valve closing. Don't expect to see very small Atkinson designs.
     
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    I'm looking for improved battery technology, period. There is no need to change anything else which makes the car heavier and pads the price.

    The lithium ion battery is the next major step, and that's where the focus should be.
     
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