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Smartkey programming deals in LA area???

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by beamman, Mar 4, 2009.

  1. beamman

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    I just bought a 2006 Prius with Nav, Leather (so, isn't that package #8??? I don't know....), etc., etc., and definitely the Smart Key features.

    But the damned thing is that the slimy Toyota dealer hands me only ONE fob, and wiggles away like a greased pig each time I tried to press the point that they really should provide me a second key, even if the original key was lost (unfortunately, though, they had me: I didn't have a lot of time, and it really was the best and lowest-miles certified 2006 around....). He mumbled something about talking to the Used Car manager to see if the key was set aside somewhere on Monday or "find out the cost" for replacement... Yeah, right.... Haven't heard from him...

    Anyways, I'm a realist and I've googled my fingers bloody, and read all the forums here, to educate myself about getting replacement silver-logo smart keys and getting them programmed. Unless I'm missing some recent breakthrough, I take it that buying a previously-used fob, even if silver logo, cannot result in a fully-operational unit.

    So, assuming I can somehow find a truly NEW and UNUSED silver logo fob for less than the dealer's insane price, HAS ANYONE HAD A GOOD EXPERIENCE (TECHNICALLY, COMPETENCE-WISE AND COST-WISE) WITH A DEALER OR ANOTHER ESTABLISHMENT IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA getting an additional silver-logo fob paired up (with full functionality) with his/her Prius.

    (If you specifically had success programming a 2006, that would be even better to know.)

    Please be sure to give the name, address and phone of the dealer/establishment that did the (good, reasonably priced) work, and if possible the name of the technician who did it.

    Thanks!!

    P.S. Generally, any recommendations for Prius mechanics in the LA area (ideally, in the South Bay area, in Downtown LA area or in Hollywood/Bubank/North Hollywood)? Thanks again!
     
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    Check around with other dealers for price and programming. Your're going to have to get it done at a dealer. By the way, the car is programmed to accept the new fob. The fob isn't programmed.
     
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    Sure, but suffice it to say that time (like money) is pretty darn tight right now, so I was hoping to reap the benefit of the experience of others who have gone through this, and to avoid spending hours calling around all the dealers in the area.

    As to the fob being programmed or not, my reading of various threads on this issue suggest that there is something about the process of pairing a fob with a car that makes it impossible later to pair that same fob with another car and be fully functional. Hence, can't go on eBay to buy a used fob and expect it to work with your car with all the Smart key features. Whether that is "programming" the fob or not, I certainly am not qualified to say...
     
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    Maybe I should post this in the LA local forum....
     
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    Ok, I guess I will
     
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    I agree that you'll need to get a new keyfob from a Toyota dealer. There are several online parts outlets, for example Parts.com - For every part of your life that can supply a keyfob for about $140. Just be sure you get the silver logo keyfob for the SKS system. I just checked parts.com and they only seem to offer one keyfob, and it's not clear if it is the black or the silver logo unit. Best to confirm with them which unit they sell. The menu tree for the unit I found was Toyota Prius 2006, Body Electrical, Keyless entry components, transmitter. List price $181, their price $125 + shipping.

    Then you need to find a mechanic with access to a Mastertech 3100 scantool with Toyota software for at least the 2004 model. Since the Toyota dealerships have switched over to a newer tool as of 2008 (2007?) model year, there are a number of 3100s that are showing up on the used market. New the thing is at least $4500, but I saw one on eBay recently for under $900. More common price is $1500 to $2500. I watched Paul at Art's Automotive in Berkeley program 3 keyfobs for me, and he had it done in about a half hour for less than $50. So while any Toyota dealer can program a new keyfob, there should also be a number of independent mechanics with the required scantool.

    Independents generally don't have the equipment to cut the mechanical key. A local hardware store messed up cutting my blank keyfob key, and obviously didn't have any more of them. So be careful about who you get to cut the mechanical key. I'd recommend a real locksmith for the mini-key that fits into the keyfob. But you can also get a generic Toyota key just about anywhere that deals with keys for about $2.
     
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    Thanks for the insights. I actually have already learned all about how I need a new, "virgin" fob and it has to be a silver-logo unit, etc., etc.

    Is there any reason I can't--at least in theory--get a NEW silver-logo, part #89994-47061 fob on eBay (as opposed to a dealer or a place like parts.com) and take it to a dealer or mechanic to get programmed successfully? There is a "dutch auction" going on right now on eBay for a bunch of silver logo units that the seller swears to me up and down are new and unused and never been paired.

    But, to get back to my original reason for this thread: Does anyone have a SPECIFIC place in Los Angeles area where they have had silver logo fobs programmed successfully and completely, with little grief and for a reasonable cost? My old mechanic for my prior car (an Infiniti I30), who I always thought was good and cutting edge, doesn't want to come anywhere near Priuses.
     
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    i called all dealers around the area (San Diego/OC/Riverside) in a 90 mile radius (over 1 year ago).

    best i could do was $160 for FOB + tax + 80 programming = about $250
     
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    I did see one on eBay showing the keyfob in the original packaging. The vendor's other auctions were all new parts that you'd get at a Toyota parts department. So at least the image is that the vendor has some relationship that allows him to sell new parts. I'd give it about an 85% chance that it's a true story. Retail vendors can frequently get a better price from their suppliers if they purchase in higher volume. So they sometimes over purchase, and sell the surplus at bargain prices through outlets like eBay. Or they could be returned parts that the dealer mechanics just don't want to hassle with.

    The majority of keyfobs on eBay are not going to work with a different car than they were originally paired to. It doesn't matter that some testing device says it's good, or that it works fine with another car. The problem is that the usage count has gone too high to allow it to be recognized by a different car. A unit that was just stored and never used might work, but you have no way of finding out short of actually trying it.

    The advantage of buying a keyfob and the programming service from the same dealer is that if there are any problems, they can just keep trying different parts. If you bring in a part from outside and there is a problem, then you're just out of luck. Even if you get a full refund for an unusable part, you're still stuck for the programming service that didn't work.

    Personally, I'd buy the unit in the original packaging off eBay for about $100. Then I'd take it to Art's Automotive in Berkeley for another $50. The next step up in probability of working would be $140 to parts.com, and a trip to Art's. For an unknown (but probably worthwhile) exercise, I'd do a major search for mechanics with access to the Mastertech 3100 scantool. If you find any, programming the car for your new keyfob would be a good test of their ability to cope with a Prius. As Clint Eastwood said in a movie I watched recently, "Are you feeling lucky?"
     
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    RobH: Thanks for your input. I actually did take the plunge and buy one of those original packaging fobs yesterday on eBay.... Unfortunately, Art's Automotive is about 300 miles too far away for me (and the Prius may be a bit small to schlep the kids and all the luggage next time we head up to the Bay Area in late Summer...).

    Don't know how lucky I feel..... but still hoping SOMEBODY out there has a testimonial about some shop in LA area that does this well and for a reasonable price!
     
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    i just purchased an extra Fob last tuesday. it was like $188 plus $45 to program... after tax cost, $247
     
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    I'm in the same boat- would really appreciate an update to this thread after you get the key purchased from ebay and find the programming. I'm in Orange County- the dealership in Irvine yesterday told me "$185 for the fob, $200 for programming". Ridiculous! :mad:
     
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    Here are links to independent mechanics in the San Francisco area who specifically claim to service the Prius.

    The only one I've used is Art's (in Berkeley), and it was a good experience. Art's Automotive

    The webpage on keyfobs at Luscious Garage (Luscious Garage | Hybrid Specialists | Blog | Prius Key Fob Transmitter ) mentions their charge of $30 to program a car for a new keyfob. I haven't been there, but have heard a number of positive things about them. Luscious is in San Francisco. They probably know more about servicing high mileage Prius than just about any other place. Since they are willing to use aftermarket suppliers, some repairs have got to be cheaper than any dealer could manage.

    Another hybrid specialty shop in San Francisco is http://www.patsgarage.com/ .
     
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    I had success, both on the eBay purchase front (both for a virgin silver-logo fob that came with an uncut key, AND, separately, from another seller of an additional uncut mechanical key), and in the programming/key cutting!

    I purchased the new fob for $98 plus a few dollars shipping from eBay seller [​IMG]texan1998, who had a few units for sale. I purchased the additional key blank for about $10 and free shipping from [​IMG]remoteforless. As I said, both were as described and both shipped quickly.

    I spent WAY TOO MUCH time the other day calling every locksmith I could find that had a promising listing on Google in the LA area, but none wanted to touch a Prius fob programming job. I called a few indy mechanics, and the few that actually did any Prius work couldn't do the programming job. So, I called every dealer within a reasonable radius of the San Fernando Valley (where I work) and the South Bay (where I live). The quotes for charging for programming ranged from a low of $90 at the Glendale dealer, to $250 at the Hollywood dealer.

    I wound up going with the North Hollywood dealer, which is very close to my work, who quoted (and, indeed, charged) $99 for the programming, and, once they understood that I would provide the key blanks, they cut them for free. Came in for an appt. this morning (Friday), was out in about an hour, fifteen minutes. Dealt with Dean in service. All works great and all painless.

    If there was anyone in the LA area that was willing to charge in the $50 range for the job, I sure couldn't find them.
     
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    Beamann- thanks for taking the time to respond! Very much appreciated!
     
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    Oops- beamman- sorry I misspelled your handle in the previous message- too many n's, not enough m's. Thanks again- I just ordered a key from texan1998.
     
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    What? Shoot, I Wish you'd have told me that 4 years ago, when I first bought 2 used SKS fobs on ebay. Wait! ... oh never mind ... they've been work just fine, all 4 years now. :p

    IOW, yes, you can still reprogram used fobs.
     
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    You're one of the lucky purchasers of used fobs. I've got one that didn't work, and have heard mostly about others that didn't.

    I think it has to do with how many times the fob has been used. So one that sits unused for years will work, while another one month old that's been heavily used cannot be programmed for another car.

    What's "heavily used"? Well the non-SKS fob has a counter in it that can be set to disable sending the seed value after 128 key presses. Now it would seem reasonable that somebody at Toyota knows how to derive a seed value from a serial number, but they're not talking.
     
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    New 2Gen Prius owner here. I have two smartkey fobs, but one doesn't work. Is there some exchange or trade-in with a Toyota dealership for a new one?

    Thanks,
    toyotally04