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Help a friend decide on a hybrid

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by zenMachine, Feb 23, 2009.

  1. zenMachine

    zenMachine Just another Onionhead

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    A friend of mine is trying to decide which hybrid car to buy. He's narrowed it down to three choices: 2009 Insight, 2009 Prius, 2010 Prius.

    He's not a car guy and doesn't care too much about fancy stuff like solar panels or moonroof or leather. He's not mechanically inclined either, and the only feature he says he really wants is Navigation. And he plans to pay cash for the car.

    Based on those parameters, my recommendation for him is to get the 2009 Prius with Bluetooth and Navigation and SKS. (The thought of buying a 1st year model of the 09 Insight or 10 Prius doesn't sit well with him, after I gave him some of the details.)

    What do you guys think? Should he wait a bit to see whether the price on the 2009 will come down further? Should he even get the Prius Navigation package, or would he be better off with a Garmin or Tomtom?
     
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    Personally, I say look for a Package 2 or 3 and get an aftermarket GPS for $300-$600. Based on what I've seen though the Package 6's are going for the MSRP of a pack. 2 now. I would shop around and see what each model has to offer, if a Package 6 is only $2000 more than a 2 i would go for the 6.

    Also, the fact he is paying cash may help in the negotiation too.
     
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    Read through www.carbuyingtips.com. He'll have to buy a load of other stuff to get the NAV in a 2009 Prius. If he doesn't want or won't use the stuff a more versatile portable GPS unit & a lower option package is the way to go. I don't believe the backlog of 2009s will disappear when the 2010 pricing is announced or the cars become available. If he needs a car now there is only one choice. In 3 months or so there will be more choices. It is hard to make a direct comparision because the basic 2010 Prius as described contains some things standard that are current options and won't have some things we now take for granted but I don't believe the 2010 is going to be cheaper than a 2009.
     
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    Does he care much about the comfort of the seats? Has he test driven any of the cars (except the 2010 prius). How much does he care about gas millage?

    Personally, I think he should get an aftermarket GPS. No point in paying for all this other package stuff that he may or may not need. I'd wait until the 2010, and then perhaps get the 2010 gen II prius (supposedly more stripped-down then the current model, so its even cheaper).
     
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    I like the factory NAV system. It's nice having it built into the dash. It is more expensive, but there are some great deals out there right now. We went with a high end package which gave us VSC, side airbags, and NAV. The safety features are important, but I believe they now come on lower packages too (check to make sure).

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    My friend is nearing 60. His eyesight is poor so he can't drive on the highway. He is also direction-challenged. I think a built-in Nav would be better for him than a separate unit since it'll be easier for him to handle (and bigger for him to see). Since he won't be going on long trips much, only 5'8" tall and underweight, I don't think the driver seat will be much of an issue for him.

    I talked briefly with the internet salesperson from McKinney this morning, he confirmed that the $3K off MSRP is for the top packages only (#5 & #6 I think). If that's the case, it appears that my friend could get a #5 for the price of a #3 or #2. And, there's currently a $750 manufacturer rebate as well that'll end March 02.

    We'll see...
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I am 5'7" and fairly thin. The seats fit me just fine.

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    Just got a quote of $25,249 for a Pkg #5 09 model. That's everything, including delivery plus the $750 rebate.

    What ya'll think?

    Also, is it true that there's a tax credit on TT&L for new car purchases this year?
     
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    There's a deduction for motor vehicle sales tax.
     
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    In the US 2009 is the end of the generation as reportedly confirmed at one of the meets. The stripped out version is intended for possible fleet use or for sale in less affluent markets.
     
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    I just went through the same decision making process and selected the 2009 Prius. The price is right for the 09s now. I liked the idea of the lower price for the Insight, but believe the Prius technology is better. I was somewhat concerned about first year model bugs in the 2010 Prius and Insight. I did not get the Nav package - already had a Garmin I like.
     
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    I just traded my 07 base for a 09 Touring , got the $500 rebate and they still got the
    ECO discount $2950 for pkg #6 . I like the Touring better on low speed turns , on highway the Touring about the same, still feel the crosswinds thou. I'm happy with the Touring and not sure if Touring was gonna be avail in 2010 model so wanted to try it out . I'm also afraid of the price increase for 2010. I was able to get a Touring off the dealer lot too - so many 09 Prius's avail now on dealer lots .
    I decided to go for 2009 now and wait for the plug in Prius and lithium batteries prob in 2011...
    Can't believe this is my 3rd Prius, started in 2004 , 2007 and now 2009
    BTW I did want the "Touring" in 2007 (introduced) and ordered one but not able to get it with Navigation so I refused it and ordered a base #6 instead in 2007 so that is why when I saw Touring's avail on a dealer lot I said now my chance to try a Touring.
    So I decided to go in and try bargaining, did do a better deal then I had gotten in 2004 and 2007, those 2 I had to preorder and had no chance to bargain. All these purchases were at DIFFERENT dealers cause I never seem to get a good deal in New York. This last dealer I ventured down to New Jersey ! And when you buy a new car in NJ they cannot inspect the vechicle for NYS inspection so I had to bring new car to a NY dealer for inspection , cost $10 LOL
     
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    filiberti, what was the price on the 09 Touring with all the rebates and discount?
     
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    He needs to drive the 09 Prius. If it satisfies his comfort needs etc then buy one with the features he wants.It's a buyer's market. Milage between the 09 and 10 won't justify the lower price for an 09 with comparable features that are available for both. None of the new features on the 2010 are game breakers for me. The Honda is a different auto that is smaller and less fuel efficient. I'd get a nonhybrid if that were my only choice.
     
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    My 09 Touring #6 stickered at $31,061 includes $279 carpet floor mats, cargo net , first aid kit and $67 wheel locks
    (these options came with the car )
    handling and delivery fee $720
    - extra value package discount -$ 2950 = $ 28,111
    -$500 rebate (still good till march 2 ) = $27,611

    (this is in New Jersey btw )
    www.prestigetoyota.com

    I ended up paying $10k +Tax with my 07 trade- in
     
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    filiberti, at that price, does your Touring also have leather seats?

    btw, I just got another quote from a different dealer for a Touring pkg5, for $24,788. (no leather).

    But my friend most probably doesn't care about Touring. I'll try to see if they have a non-Touring pkg5 for even less than that.
     
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    Yes Package 6 is Leather and Navigation , Package 5 is just
    Navigation - no leather . The Touring has 1 in bigger , wider tires and sport tuned suspension, handles a bit better on sharp turns , winding roads , not as soft as standard Prius suspension. I do feel potholes more with this suspension but I like the handling
     
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    Thanks to everyone for their feedback so far.

    I have another dumb question: What is "dealer holdback"?
     
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