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2010 Extended Warranty?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by HTMLSpinnr, Jan 22, 2009.

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  1. Yes, I'm planning on the extended warranty, too much new tech!

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  2. No, I don't see the value.

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  3. Undecided/other.

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  1. HTMLSpinnr

    HTMLSpinnr Super Moderator
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    So owning two other Prius, I'm beginning to wish I had some extended warranties. Toyota makes quality vehicles and nothing I've encountered thus far has been huge, but the "little" things that have cropped up over time would have been nice if they were simply "covered".

    Between the critical items that I've replaced out of pocket, and the "I'd love to replace those but the $$$ is prohibitive - but would do it under warranty" things that are now coming up, I'm thinking long and hard on the 2010.

    Example problems on each car post-warranty:

    2002 @ 7 years 53.5k miles:
    * Steering rack - warranty, twice IIRC. Newest rack twitches on occasion, and out of 5 year "blanket warranty".
    * CD changer dead - not fixed
    * CEL/Engine stall after large draw on 12V battery (i.e. headlights and PTT heat for 60 seconds in IG-ON before starting the car) - transient, unresolved

    2004 @ 5 years 108k miles:
    * Rear tail lenses - replaced under warranty
    * Inverter coolant pump at 102k miles - $450 replace
    * Warped dash - unresolved
    * Broken upper glove compartment lid (springs popped up causing part of warped dash)
    * Coolant tank squeal - started under warranty, but no TSB existed. Never resolved and dealer couldn't reproduce at the time.
    * Brake booster moosing @ low temp and high altitude - unresolved

    With my 2004, my prior AZ commute caused my warranty to lapse due to mileage before the 2nd year, so issues that cropped up due to time vs. mileage went unresolved if they weren't critical/disabling. Others were cold morning issues and the dealer never got to it till later, thus "unable to reproduce".

    Who else is taking their higher mileage experiences and considering the warranty for piece of mind?

    Of course I'll get mine here through PC unless the dealer will match the price.
     
  2. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Extended warranties are always a bad idea in the general sense. Think of them as casino gambling: the house always wins in the long run. You may get lucky, or unlucky in this case, and have an expensive failure covered by the warranty, but spread over all of the subscribers the price will be greater than the cost.

    This is true with all insurance (that's what an extended warranty is - insurance). You should only buy insurance to cover expenses you can't or are unwilling to bear. Some people are willing to pay more just for the peace of mind. That's okay as long as you realize what you are doing.

    Instead of an extended warranty, my suggestion is to invest that money and save it for future repairs, in other words, self insure.

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    Never did get the extended warranty. I lucked out with the $89 spent on the MFD replacement, but $240 on a wheel bearing and $260 on the water pump aren't bad for a 5-year-old car.

    My plan was to get the 5yr/100,000 mile extended warranty because I'd been averaging 20,000 miles per year for quite a while, but now that I'm only at 82,600 after 5 years I realize that the 7 year plan was more appropriate.

    Next time I buy a car, I'll have an idea what a (fingers-crossed) 10-year-old Toyota sucked up in maintenance costs, and if most of them would have been warranty-covered, I'll consider it...
     
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    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    I shouldn't bother, see my signature.
     
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    extended warranty is not the same as new vehicle warranty - i am pretty sure that most of your issues would not be covered by extended warranty.
     
  6. HTMLSpinnr

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    That also depends on the warranty level in the US. There were multiple tiers, with Platinum being highest. IIRC, that was the only level for the Prius, and that was nearly as all inclusive as the basic 3/36.
     
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    Of course, when you're buying off of PC/negotiate below MSRP, that's significantly improving your odds. Add in the potential value during resale and it can still be a good deal.
     
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    If it's going to break (which it probably will since it's a first year car...no automaker is perfect) it should break within the first three years. I don't see the point in buying coverage beyond that.
     
  9. HTMLSpinnr

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    That's just it - my 2004 is a Pioneer buy, first round Prius. Not everything "broke" in the first 36,000 miles. I don't mind being first, but will protect my interests. Besides, if I can pay cash this time around vs. financing, the extra $900 or less is still less than a 60 month loan.
     
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    The cost of the warranty and the money you save paying cash are two separate issues. One has no bearing on the other, except to say you are money ahead paying cash.

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    No doubt. Warranties are a gamble unless experience tells you the odds favor you.
     
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    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    I own a 2004, delivered in January of that year. I.e., an early build of the first year. I considered waiting for the second year, but decided I didn't want to give up a year of driving this amazing car. I had to have a broken cruise-control stalk replaced and there were two recalls to re-program the computer and a TSB for the gas tank filler pipe, all done under warranty. I've had no repairs since the warranty lapsed except for a couple of fender-benders, which obviously an extended warranty would not have covered. My CAN-View malfunctioned and caused a dealer visit, but that would not have been covered either.

    The problem is that the insurers have more data than you do, and set their prices accordingly. When you buy insurance, you are really trying to out-guess the insurer, unless you are insuring a loss that you could not afford to pay. Fire and health insurance are examples where the odds are against your coming out ahead, but a loss could be so catastrophic it would wipe you out, so you accept a bad bet to prevent an economic catastrophe.
     
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    Wow. I had completely forgotten that little adventure. Just like I'm going to forget the passenger door lock that still can't make up its mind to break completely or start working regularly again. I'm hoping warmer weather helps it recover...
     
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    My two cents:

    I think that it is reasonable to consider getting an extended warranty, even for proven reliable cars like the Prius.

    Electrical systems have always been the weakest link or Achilles Heel of otherwise mechanically reliable cars like Toyota, Volvo, Saab, Mercedes Benz, et al. Even more so now with the advent of electronics and computers.

    Typically, a middle class American and/or her employer will spend more than $10,000 per year
    for health insurance, life insurance, homeowner's insurance, auto insurance, etc. Granted, these insurance policies cover potential losses that the insured couldn't otherwise afford to pay. Nonetheless, as insurance products go, I think that as a general matter if one were to purchase the extended warranty here, it will instantly become the policy in your insurance portfolio that you're most likely to put a claim on and recoup your premium.

    I think that at the one-time purchase price of $1850 MSRP (or higher price charged by dealers) for Toyota's best and longest extended warranty (Toyota Extra Care Platinum Plan - 7 years/100,000 miles/$0 deductible), I wouldn't get the extended warranty for the Prius.

    But at the $1055 price offered here, it's well worth considering. With the high prices charged by dealers for OEM parts and labor, the extended warranty can pay for itself one or several times over with just one claim for the most ordinary and common of repairs. At minimum, I think it is a good insurance buy.

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    If one is thinking of purchasing the extended warranty, I'd recommend waiting until the car approaches 3 years or 36,000 miles before making the decision. That way, you will have all that experience with the car and be better informed as to (1) whether you need the extended warranty, and (2) which extended warranty policy to get in terms of years/miles to fit your anticipated future car usage (you can pay a couple of hundred dollars less than the $1055 now charged for Toyota's best and longest policy, by buying the same policy with fewer maximum years and/or mileage).
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  15. HTMLSpinnr

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    So the one thing that I do worry about ironically is the exhaust heat recovery. The corrosion within the exhaust system itself tells me that down the road, some of us could experience a coolant leak out the tail pipe, despite the stainless steel construction. I'm sure the Prius engineers have thought of ways around this, but my guess is that it's only a matter of time. The "gamble", however, would be whether this would happen within the warranted period.