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Everything you thought you knew about sharks is wrong!

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by daniel, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. bedrock8x

    bedrock8x Senior Member

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    It will be exactly the same as today, buying Japanese built cars.

    Without the A-bombs, the war will last two more years and 1 million more dead soldiers before victory.



     
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    It might be worth adding that Florida is "infested" greatly with alligators showing up almost everywhere for quite some time. No calls to exterminate them are sounded, even though alligator killings will continue to occur.

    The danger to sharks is exactly as described above, from money, not fear.
     
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    Stev0 Honorary Hong Kong Cavalier

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    It's not the fact that most Americans don't understand simple statistics; it's the fact that they're PROUD of the fact that they don't understand simple statistics is the reason this country is in the economic shape it's in.
     
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    Liars figure
     
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    And ignorance is bliss, right?
     
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    International Shark Aattack File

    "The file contains information on over 4,000 shark attacks and includes detailed, often privileged, information including autopsy reports and graphic photos. The file is accessible only to scientists whose access is permitted only by a review board."



    Over 4,000!!!!!


    plus classifications like this

    Eric Reichardt, 42September 16, 2001Unconfirmed, probably a bull or tiger sharkThis death was officially classified as a drowning by the Broward County, Florida medical examiners office; however, it is listed as a fatal shark attack by the International Shark Attack File. Drowned while diving on the wreck of the Ronald B. Johnson in 270 feet (82 m) of water 2 miles (3.2 km) off Pompano Beach, Florida fighting off a shark. His regulator may have fallen out of his mouth causing him to drown
     
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    I find it hilarious that you are trying to use the details of one attack to prove that sharks are statistically dangerous.

    Lets see, besides the 2001 attack you detailed there were 3 other fatal shark attacks in Florida waters between 1990 and 2007: 1998, 2000, and 2005.

    I don't argue that sharks don't attack people and kill them. I just don't worry about it when swimming, snorkeling, or diving in the ocean. Attacks are so rare the possibility doesn't concern me. On the other hand I'm not going to try to pull a shark's tail or feed one a snack. Common sense is required just like with any other potentially dangerous animal.
     
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    OMG! in 2007 there were over 37,000 fatal auto accidents! OVER 37,000!!! I better not ever get in a car!

    For those of us who love these wonderful creatures, you can symbolically adopt one from the WWF and get your own plush shark!
     
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    Is this peculiar statement intended to mean that anybody who quotes figures is to be considered a liar?

    The mathematically illiterate (sometimes referred to as "innumerate") like to assert that "you can prove anything with statistics." But what this really means is that if you are innumerate, and do not understand statistics, you can be fooled. Similarly, if you do not know what money looks like, you may be fooled into accepting Monopoly money as though it were legal tender.

    Statistics is in fact the branch of mathematics most responsible for our understanding of the physical world. Quantum mechanics operates entirely on statistics, and it is quantum mechanics that gives us transistors, and therefore the computer you are reading this on. Statistics works. If you cannot understand it, that's your problem. It does not make liars of those who employ statistics to assess risk in daily life, or to design better semiconductor devices.
     
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    It's intended to mean that shark attack numbers are unreliable.

    Sharks are dangerous. You're a hot orderve to them.
     
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    So, you're saying your "Over 4000!!!!" number is unreliable?

    No one here ever said sharks are never dangerous. Guns can be dangerous, too; I assume you're in favor of an all-out ban on them because of this?
     
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    Ahhh, but the garnish makes all the difference between a pedestrian meal and a special occasion. Anyone can microwave Hors d'oeuvres, it's the garni which elevates the hors.
     
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    This thread is almost as good as the one where someone claimed that the Nazi's liked black people.
     
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    Whose? Yours or mine? :D

    Pianos are dangerous, if they fall on you out of a seven-story window. Matches are dangerous in the hands of a five-year-old. Anything can be dangerous. But sharks virtually never actually eat people. Attacks result from mistaken identity, and sharks almost always spit out the untasty bite.

    Humans are not appealing food to sharks.

    Yes, sharks can kill people, and have done so, but so seldom as to make the risk almost nil. To avoid the water out of fear of sharks is like spending your entire life in bed out of fear of tigers in major U.S. cities; and to advocate killing them makes less sense than grounding all airplanes because one might crash into your house.
     
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    Humans have known sharks are dangerous and know to stay away from them, so the number of shark attacks are low. Only those who thinks sharks won't bite will get bitten.

    A few weeks ago, a woman was shown on TV feeding and petting a brown bear showing bears are friendly to human, how foolish.
     
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    Feeding bears is extremely foolish. However the boat captain I was with on this trip has been running shark swims for twenty years and has never had an incident.

    Obviously you don't grab them by the tail or otherwise molest them. They have sharp teeth and can bite. The point is that they are not interested in biting people and if you behave reasonably and avoid mimicking their prey, you are much safer around them than you are on the nation's highways. And the payoff is that they are beautiful to watch.

    It is not rational that people will go on the highways just for the pleasure of driving, but will advocate avoiding sharks just because they perceive it as dangerous. There are risks all through life. We choose to accept certain risks because of the payoff. (Driving, flying, crossing the street, kicking the coke machine when it steals your $1.25, etc.) Swimming with sharks is a great experience, and while it has some risk, the risk of being bitten is considerably less than the risk of getting in an auto accident on your way to the airport.

    The most legitimate reason for not swimming with sharks is that you (probably) have to drive on a freeway to get to the airport to fly to where the sharks are. I accept that risk several times a year because there are places I like to go.
     
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    ok... this thread got long fast. my only comment

    sharks are jus like any other species on this Earth, including Man, in that, when something invades their environment, they protect it and themselves in anyway they know how.

    no species is more deadly than Man...no species is even close
     
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    It's a shame because of Spielberg's movie something gets labeled a evil thinking killing machine and people will avoid an activity that is relatively safe. To avoid driving just because you could statistically have a fatal encounter with a Peterbilt is absurd.:D











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    Lucky that he didn't have a accident for 20 year, but statistics stacks against him. The longer he runs (the business), accident is going to happen.

    Wild animals or sharks are unpredictable. One more example, there was a lion in the MGM hotel in Las Vegas many years ago, the lion was in there for tourist to take pictures next to the lion. The lion has only a chain tied to his neck. He was there for over ten years. One day he decided to attack and mauled a woman. That's the end of his professional life.

    Steve Irwin, the famous crocodile hunter, was killed while swimming with the non-human eating stingray.

     
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    Not luck. And statistics are very much in his favor, with only one death by sharks every two years. This guy is only one of many such operators, many of whom operate far more outings than he does. I think it's noteworthy that (I believe) none of these 5 deaths per decade has been during an intentional shark swim, since such operators avoid the sort of low-visibility situations where shark attacks occur. (When the shark cannot see the victim to distinguish that it's a person and not, e.g. a seal.)

    Steve Irwin made several two very serious mistakes: 1. He branched out from the crocodiles he knew and understood, to an animal and an environment he was not familiar with. 2. He did something very reckless in grabbing hold of the stingray and trying to ride it. And even with that, it was a fluke that the stinger hit his heart. Anywhere else and it would not have killed him.

    It is well known that if you step on a stingray you are likely to get stung, and by analogy anybody that knows the ocean will tell you not to try to do what Irwin did. When we were feeding stingrays we were told not to touch the center of their back or their tail. In trying to ride the ray, Irwin inevitably would have touched both, triggering the animal's stinging response.

    Stingrays, of course, cannot eat people. They lack the mouth anatomy for it. They suck up small animals like squid, and you can feel the vacuum as they pull it out of your hand. They don't bit it and pull it away, as a dog would when you hand-feed it. They suck. Sluuuuurrrp! And if they don't like the piece (or are full) they blow it back out. Whooosh!