Is this for real? Run a car on water?

Water injection is mainly used to cool intake air charges and not for better milage. In racing we use water or alcohol (methanol) injection to cool the air that has been heated up during compression by turbochargers or supercharging. The idea is a throwback to the airforce uses but the idea is the same. It was not designed to improve milage.

 

You've been smoking pot with that "zero point energy" guy who used to post here, haven't you?

 

I can see where this thread is going, so I'm going to post it first: Have you considered putting larger wheels on the rear end so the car can roll downhill the whole time? That works better than the HHO system - at least it achieves unity.

Tom

 

A Hydroxy (HHO gas) boosted Prius, with fuel economy improvements in the 60-70 mpg range, not to mention further reduced emissions, is travelling West on America's highways now. This is the first step in testing, as the full output of the on-board Hydroxy generator is not utilized (yet) in an effort to integrate the new fuel to the Prius systems. I would think those on this board would embrace a truly renewable/recycleable energy source with only miniscule percentage of water vapor not recovered. This technology will rise from the bottom up, not from "World Leaders" on down.

 

I would be happy to embrace this idea if it had any true merit, but just wanting to believe doesn't make it so.

Tom

 

Maybe it works if you wear ruby slippers. I hadn't considered that.

 

I lost 2mpg in my hydroxy equipped prius.
but it was worth a try, my nephew gained 4 mpg on his 10 year old v8.

 

This is an interesting subject! I just happened to get an email forwarded to me on this very subject, it had a link to Fox news report about a guy developing the technology.

Whatcha all think?

 

Nothing new here. Electrolysis has been around since the days of Lavoisier, so it's hardly new. What this video shows is not a source of power, but a instead a consumer of power. Electrolysis takes electricity and uses it to split water into its component parts: hydrogen and oxygen. Recombining hydrogen and oxygen produces water and releases energy. The important point is that the released energy is less than the energy required to split them in the first place. If he has developed a more efficient form of electrolysis, then that is useful, but not revolutionary. There have been some recent advances in this area, but most involve large plants that use co-generation techniques which recapture waste heat in the splitting process. Even with 100% efficiency (which is not possible) you only break even.

Tom

 

To me this was an obvious troll on a thread that's been beaten to death.

 

In the Fox News report, the guy actually says he uses water and electricity to create the HHO gas. And then for the remainder of the report they talk about the water as fuel and ignore the part about the electricity.

The real fuel here is whatever fuel was used to create the electricity. The electricity is just a carrier of energy and the HHO is just a carrier of energy. But as many others have pointed out (and as I recall from taking Thermodynamics) you can't get something for nothing, and in fact, you can't even break even. If each conversion from fuel to electricity to HHO to mechanical power (to drive your car) were perfect, you would be breaking even. But each of those conversions are not perfect, you lose energy in the form of heat, so you are actually wasting energy. You would be better off with an electric car to cut out the loss from converting to HHO.

HHO would be great if you have a free source of energy to create it (solar), but otherwise it is a loser .

 

*ignores troll remark*

Tom & Dogfriend, thanks for the replies. It helps me understand how these claims are not all what they seem, and I appreciate being better educated on the subject.

 

Interesting coincidence that a local talk radio show in the Tampa Bay market (WFLA 970) just had (30 minutes ago) the COO of the Clearwater company featured in this video on. He indicated that an RV had sucessfully been converted and that a large commercial trucking company (8000+ vehicles) had a diesel engine in one of their trucks converted. The truck was supposedly just delivered to a track/testing facility in Texas and that test results would be released to the public in late June or early July. The interview ended with the COO inviting the talk show host over to their facility for test drives and photographs. The COO described the system as a hybrid system in that the vehicle did not actually run on water, rather hydrogen was separated from the water and used to enhance the combustion of either diesel fuel or gasoline (not to simply cool the charge).

 

He's re-invented the oxy-hydrogen torch. Big whoop. Injecting the gas into an engine can compensate for poor combustion efficiency, but the better fix for that is a tune-up.

 

Keee rist, somebody else gets it and understands!!! ....Tom you really hit the nail on the head. Great post!!!

As far as use in a car you might as well drive around with a 50 lb tank of Oxygen and a 100 lb tank of Hydrogen. Plumb the 2 gas lines to a 2 to 1 ratio mixng carb or inject onto the engine and there ya go, driving on HOH Hydrogen Hydroxide ...The fuel of the future!!!

Hell if it works in the main fuel tank of the shuttle, it out of be good enough for a car!!!

Well except for that "Challenger" type of problem where you rupture your tanks and go up in a big bang type ball of flame!!!

This stupid device just cannot generate enough gas at any time to sustain speeds and distance, unless of course your towing a generator to generate the large amount of electricity needed to generate a usable amount of gas!!!

Watts the generater running on, oh yeah $6.00 a gallon diesel!!!

Just some more random thoughts!

73 de Pat KK6PD

 

Damn Interesting The Six-Stroke Engine

 

According to the article an efficiency improvement of up to 40% could be achieved as compared to a conventional ICE (which would be an increase to 35% from 25% efficient). This is the same efficiecy increase attributed to the Atkinsen Cycle over the Otto Cycle; as is used in you Prius.

Maybe if you could apply this technology to an Atkinsen Cycle engine in a hybrid you would really have something.

 

I've been trying to find articles on the Crower engine for the longest time. I remember reading about it a long time ago, and recognizing the name "Crower" from my teen years as a hot-rodder (Crower Cams), but for whatever reason I could never find anything via Google. 'Course now, I punch in the same search terms ("crower engine heat efficiency") and I get a bunch of hits.

Anyway, what he's doing is trying to recapture some of the energy that is typically lost as heat and perform useful work with it. I hadn't heard the 40% figure before, I think the first time I read about it the goal was 20% increased efficiency. I wonder if the cooling of the combustion chamber will affect emissions adversely.

 

That's not what it claims to do. Read my post above. (I am not suggesting the device works as claimed.)

 

Wrong ratios. Try again.