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BT Tech Front Swaybar?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by BT Tech, May 17, 2008.

  1. BT Tech

    BT Tech New Member

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    I have been "toying" around with the idea of producing a larger diameter front swaybar for the Prius. I already designed one that has been on my car now for the last 2 months and the results have been outstanding.

    This part along with our strut tower brace and stiffening plate really transforms the car and makes it a pleasure to drive both at high speeds on the highway and around the twisties. VERY little lean when turning and a very neautral balance meaning that does not over or under steer.

    The only drawback is that it will require professional installation by a qualified mechanic or an advanced DIY'er.

    To produce these in relatively small quantities is not inexpensive so before I even "think" about a production run, I wanted to see how many of you would be interested in such a product. Actual production pricing is not set in concrete yet but expect such a part to cost around 200.00 or so.

    Please respond to this post if this is something that you think you would want.
     
  2. Five5Six

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    I haven't gotten a chance to look at the suspension setup on my Prius, does it have a stock front swaybar? How about rear? I know when I had my xB, when I put my aftermarket rear swaybar on it; it was like night and day.
     
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    Hey Brian, take a picture of yours?
     
  4. Boo

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    I'm interested.

    Why front? Why not rear? Or both front and rear?
     
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    but as tom said, why not front and rear?

    does it make the ride harsh? would it work well with the stock tires? i keep asking this NOT to be a devils advocate, but people say the integrity's have a very low rolling resistance. if i change to another tire, i might loose mpg's - the very reason why i bought the prius to begin with.
     
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    I'm all for anything to improve the handling. So count me in.

    But my other car is a 2003 Ruf 3600S.
     
  7. BT Tech

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    Hello Bill... I will take a picture of it and post it when I get it back from the fabricator. I have it being modeled so that I can make a fixture for a possible production run.
     
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    Very good question.. The Prius employs a solid rear axle with a torsion bar and a small diameter sway bar. If we were to increase the size of the bar, it could potentially induce too much oversteer which is never a good thing.

    Also, when you increase the diameter of a sway bar you run the risk of inducing too much harshness to the ride which will diminish ride quality.

    There is always a trade-off when it comes to automotive suspension systems. You can have go-kart type handling but will result in a suspension that will rattle your fillings loose. On the other hand, you can have a really soft suspension that floats causing too much sway and reduced handling which can compromise safety.

    The key is to find the happy medium where the ride quality is not overly harsh yet keep the car planted and well controlled in the twisties....
     
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    I would be interested in getting some custom springs made that would be slightly stiffer than stock and lower the car about 3/4-1 inch. Then see how it handles, if at that point is still leans too much in the turns, I would then look into changing swaybars.
     
  10. Boo

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    Sigma Automotive sells Blitz and other springs for the Prius (click on link and scroll down to the Performance section of the page):

    Sigma Automotive – Toyota Hybrid Prius 2004 - 2009 OEM & JDM auto accessories

    Also, Prius70 put some Blitz springs on his Prius. They lowered the car about an inch. Check out his thread:

    http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-modifications/44779-blitz-springs.html

    Good luck.
     
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    very interested in sway bar. would definitely buy

    however, from my understanding, increasing the stiffness of the front sway bar leads to more understeer (if rear bar isn't changed). this would only lead to neutral handling if the stock suspension was set to oversteer, which is difficult to believe. am missing something?

    btw, how does yours compare to the touring sway bar?
     
  12. Boo

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    Thanks Brian.

    Sounds good. In you I trust!

    Your answer brings me back to a question that Genoz World has raised, namely, do you think that the Stiffening Plate, the Strut Tower Brace and/or the Front Sway Bar make the Prius ride harsher?

    I didn't notice that the Stiffening Plate makes it ride any harsher. I haven't installed my Strut Tower Brace yet (don't shoot me), so I have no opinion on that.
     
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    Brian,

    I have been thinking of running my Prius on SCCA Solo 2 under the Stock class, and one of the few mods you can do is a front sway bar (not rear), so if you sell one I'd add it to my list of "wants".
     
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    I don't know if they qualify as "swaybars", but both the Standard and Touring Prius have what Toyota calls front and rear "stabilizer bars". The ones on the Touring are different than the ones on the Standard, but I don't know how they differ.
     
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    Your understanding is correct. Normally, a larger front swaybar would result in more understeer and to compensate for this one would add a larger rear swaybar to even things out.

    The Prius acts a bit different though than your "normal" car in that installing a slightly larger (3mm) front swaybar, there was more roll resistance and much sharper transitions were the result.

    To my knowledge the touring and the base sway bars are the same diameter. The touring uses different shocks, higher spring rates and larger wheels and tires.






     
  16. Boo

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    According to BerkshirePrius and my parts research, the Touring has different front and rear stabilizer bars and different rear shocks and springs than the Standard Prius. But the front struts and springs are the same.
     
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    Hello Tom.

    With the addition of our stiffening plate and front strut brace I found that the car feels a lot more "refined" and structurally more solid compared to before.

    A good test is to drive the car over a bumpy railroad crossing. The car has a much more solid feeling now compared to before when if felt that the entire structure had an uneasy shake to it.

    If someone is a "spirited" driver, they would definately notice the difference after installing the strut tower brace. Transitions are a lot more crisp and precise. The stiffening plate makes a marked improvement to the vehicle in whole. Both components when installed make the Prius signifcantly more enjoyable to drive both on the highway and on a nice winding road!! :)


     
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    If you are running in Solo2, check out our Strut Tower Brace. In the type of driving that you are doing, this will make a huge difference and if your driving skills are in check, lower lap times will result.
     
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    That's definitely the case. Race car drivers are always talking about softening up the front roll bar to allow more roll into the corner and gain mechanical grip at the front, thus reducing understeer, not increasing it. Or conversely, increasing front roll bar stiffness to reduce oversteer, not reduce understeer.
     
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    i don't doubt your technical expertise, but could you explain what's different in the prius that accounts for this phenomenon? just trying to learn as much about my future (3 weeks!) car as i can.