Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

Funny. When coming reading this story at places other than Fox, the one word quote "backtracked" doesn't even occur. For real "suppression" you need to look at the Bush admin's record at the EPA.

Media falsely reports CSU stifled prof.

In his blog, Chronicle reporter Eric Berger wrote he had obtained a memo from Gray, which had been sent in 2007 to several CSU officials, including Sandra Woods, the Dean of the Engineering School.

The memo, which is available from Berger's blog "SciGuy", detailed Gray's frustration with the university when he had been told of CSU's decision to no longer publish the forecasts. Berger declined to comment on the university's reaction.

In a statement released Tuesday, Woods said Gray had been misinformed of the situation when he wrote the memo, but a meeting between the two quelled the issue.

"We corrected that misinformation. We are all on the same page and CSU continues to offer full support of his forecast, his funding has not been pulled," Woods said in the statement. "Actually, he officially retired in 2004, but we continue to support the forecast."

Gray confirmed that he had been mistaken when writing the memo, and that the situation had been corrected swiftly.

"We did have a few disagreements last year, but they were all worked out to my satisfaction," Gray said. "(Berger) certainly shouldn't have tried to run that story before talking to us."

 

How about "Gray confirmed that he had been mistaken when writing the memo, and that the situation had been corrected swiftly."

 

For an example of how Cell Theory led to the discovery of disease mechanisms (i.e., bacteria) try this link.

You say ID is producing knowledge. Knowledge is a little vague. Knowledge of what?

 

You could read up on the subject a little and discover the answer for yourself. Or if that sounds like too much work, maybe you could try tackling the problem of infinite regress in the "irreducible complexity" argument that alanh pointed out a few posts back.

 

Intelligent design produces knowledge, and science is dogmatic? No, you have that completely backwards. I'm really beginning to wonder if fervent religious belief is a form of mental illness.

 

Non-spontaneous life generation is how we came to understand disease. I figured the name Pasteur would do it. You do drink pasteurized milk don't you?

How about:
Spontaneous generation
Key to developing the germ theory of disease was a refutation of the concept of spontaneous generation.
Spontaneous generation is the idea that, in modern times, living things can arise from non-living things (a violation of basic cell theory).
Of course, what was really being observed was the appearance of visible organisms or populations of organisms which were initially microscopic contaminants.
"As long as (individuals) believed that microorganisms could arise from nonliving substances, scientists saw no purpose in considering how diseases were transmitted or how they could be controlled."
http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabedon/biol2007.htm

These are the kinds of insights we get with genuine scientific theories.

 

Here's where I got the idea you were suggesting science is dogmatic:

I'm not retracting a word.

 

Ah well, as I hadn't linked evolution to discovering the mechanisms of disease discovery, that is why I've been explaining Cell Theory to you. I see you misinterpreted my post of examples of valid scientific theories, and I've been returning the favor.

But like most actual scientific theories, evolution helped in the discovery of DNA and genetic engineering by setting up some of the parameters of what scientists were looking for.

You might try looking at
DNA, the Language of Evolution: Francis Crick & James Watson
for a start.
Before the discovery of DNA, scientists could only uncover the evolutionary tree of life by comparing the bodies and cells of different species. Now they can compare their genetic codes, working their way down to the deepest branches of life dating back billions of years.

Evolutionary theory does help us daily in our fight against disease, however. Try reading
Molecular Evolution Of Influenza A Viruses Circulated In Fujian Province, China

or

Bacterial evolution and the cost​

of antibiotic resistance



The point of my original post, however, was that actual scientific theories are tools. Humans use them to create things. They guide scientists by stimulating them to look at things in new ways, and therefore discover new aspects of how the world works.
Atomic Theory>Atom bomb, nuclear engineering.
Cell Theory>Discovery of diesease mechanisms
Electromagnetic Theory>invention of electronics

Evolutionary theory>DNA, Genetic engineering. Without the need to fix the inheritence mechanism of Darwin's original evolutionary theory, it is unknown how long Gregor Mendel's work on genetics would have continued to be ignored. Genetic Engineering, by its definition, is man-made evolution rather than natural selection evolution. If you can't see the connection of evolutionary theory to that...

So again, I ask you, what experiments do you anticipate Intelligent Design will stimulate? If its starting point is that the world is so complicated we can't understand it, how in the heck does that motivate people to go do science?

 

Thanks, I will. Right after you've passed your grade 10 spelling test. Call me in about twenty years.

 

" Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."

- Gene Roddenberry

 

I'm still waiting for wildkow to answer my question about if he's OK with the fact that ID is a political, religious, and non-scientific agenda known as the Wedge strategy from the Discovery Institute.

He was also so hot and bothered by Fox News' report on Dr. Gray, but I don't know why he's not angered by the way the Bush administration has suppressed climate scientists. If I may have the liberty to use wildkow's own words in slightly modified form: This is just wrong, wrong, wrong I can't believe that he is not outraged by this censorship and coercion. Yet not one peep from him about Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Inquiry etc etc. Pitiful.