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Exactly how do the friction brakes work?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by qbee42, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    In answering some recent questions, it occurred to me that I have a hole in my knowledge about the GenII Prius braking system as it relates to the hydraulic friction brakes. In a nutshell, here is what I know, or at least think I know:

    1) The brake pedal is attached to a potentiometer, two electrical switches, and a hydraulic piston.

    2) The potentiometer is use as an input to a rate sensor, which measures the speed of pedal application to determine if a panic stop situation exists.

    3) The two electrical switches are connected respectively to the brake lights, and brake interlock which prevents powering up without pressing the brake pedal.

    4) The hydraulic piston is connected to a closed hydraulic system which also contains a pressure sensor and a spring piston device.

    5) The spring piston device allows the brake pedal to move with the standard squishy feeling found in normal automotive braking systems.

    6) The pressure sensor sends brake pedal position information to the brake system ECU.

    7) When the brake ECU determines that braking is required, it negotiates with the other ECUs over regenerative braking verses hydraulic friction brakes. A panic stop situation calls for immediate use of the friction brakes and engages the braking assist system which speeds the application of the brakes (I can't remember Toyota's name for this assist system; what is it?)

    8) If hydraulic friction brakes are required (low speed, insufficient regenerative capacity, or panic stop), the braking ECU applies hydraulic pressure to the friction brakes. This hydraulic pressure comes from a reservoir which is pressurized by an electrically driven pump (I usually call this the brake accumulator pump; what is the proper name for this pump?)

    9) The electrically driven brake pump is supported by a bank of super capacitors. These super capacitors store enough electricity to briefly operate the pump in the event of a total electrical failure.

    10) The parking brake cable operates the rear drum brakes (U.S. version; I'm not sure about this with rear disk systems?)

    Here is the part I know I don't know: Is there a direct hydraulic connection between the brake pedal hydraulic piston and the actual hydraulic friction brakes? In other words, if all of the automatic electronic parts fail, when you step on the brake pedal will it manually supply hydraulic pressure to actuate the friction brakes?

    If this is true, what keeps the friction brakes from dragging when regenerative braking is used? Does the spring piston in the brake system supply enough extra travel that manual actuation only occurs at the bottom of the stroke?

    I'm really curious about this, and want to get it straight so I don't pass along bad information. Any corrections or additional information will be greatly appreciated.

    Tom
     
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  2. jayman

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    Hi Tom

    Not sure if this helps, but it's worth a shot. In particular the section on the failure mode

    jay
     
  3. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Thanks Jayman, that's it exactly. Now we know.

    The brake master cylinder is normally connected only to the stroke simulator, which is the spring piston device. If the power brakes fail for any reason, the skid control ECU throws some valves which disconnect the master cylinder from the stroke simulator and connects it directly to the front brake cylinders. In this emergency mode you have manual hydraulic control of the front brakes only.

    This is a fairly robust system. Look at the layers of protection:

    1) Regenerative and engine braking though the front wheels (antilock).

    2) Power hydraulic braking through all four wheels (antilock) with emergency power backup through the super capacitor bank.

    3) Manual hydraulic braking through the front wheels.

    4) Cable operated braking of the back wheels (parking brake).

    This is a triple-redundant system. How cool is that.

    Tom
     
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    EBD - Electronic Brake Force Distribution.
     
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    You will be wishing for a quadruple redundant system if the first three modes fail. :D
     
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    Great writeup. The only correction I'd make is brake "pedal". Peddle is selling door-to-door.
     
  7. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Here is another cool thing: Looking at the diagram jayman posted, you can see that the master cylinder is a dual master cylinder. Instead of being two cylinders in parallel, the two cylinders are tandem. The first cylinder is connected to the right front brake, the second cylinder is connected to the left front brake and the stroke simulator. The two master cylinder pistons are connected only by hydraulic fluid. In normal operation, when you depress the brake pedal, the pedal lever pushes on the first piston. The fluid behind this piston has nowhere to go, since the emergency valve is closed. The pressure behind the first piston presses on the second piston, which in turn presses on the fluid behind it. This fluid is coupled to the stroke simulator, so the piston in the stroke simulator moves, allowing the brake pedal to depress.

    In the event of a power brake failure, the emergency valves drop into position. Now when you depress the brake pedal, the fluid pressure behind the first piston is transferred to the right front brake and the second master cylinder piston. The second master cylinder piston transfers the pressure to the fluid behind it. In the emergency configuration, the valve to the stroke simulator is closed, so the pressure goes to the left front brake.

    The emergency system still works in the event of a hydraulic leak. If the fluid leaks from the right side, the master cylinder pistons mechanically touch, transferring pressure to the left side piston. If the fluid leaks out of the left side, the left piston collapses to the far end of the cylinder, allowing the right piston to build pressure. In either case, the brake peddle position will drop slightly and braking will be reduced to one front wheel.

    It looks like a well though out system.

    Tom
     
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    Damn! I did it again. That one gives me fits.

    Thanks for the correction; I'll fix it.

    Tom
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    That's when you drag your foot out the door, or aim for a tree. :eek:

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    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    When I read the thread title I was all ready to answer,
    "Rub your hands together really hard and really fast, does it use a lot of energy? Do your hands get hot?
    Here in endeth the lesson."
    Then someone had to use techno language.
     
  11. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I get it! So heat is involved. Gee, thanks. :yawn:

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    Hi Tom

    Believe it or not, I've had to "defend" my Prius from rednecks and morons (Or, "maroons" as I call them) who claim the Prius is unsafe due to :

    1. "Digital" steering, if the power fails you lose steering
    2. "Digital" brakes, ditto

    It's not that I don't mind explaining how things work, I just get a wee bit hot when the redneck refuses to believe it. Hey, not my fault I busted my hump getting 3 college degrees, sue me

    Yeesh

    What I like about the Prius system is that the system is very well thought out, and this detail is showing up in other vehicles in Toyota's lineup. For example, my FJ Cruiser has electric assist power brakes with some of the same features.

    I've attached the pdf from the FJ shop manual for comparison. Page 3 of the pdf has the system diagram. See anything familiar?

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    Y'all nailed it so hard I didn't really need to chime in here, but
    to answer one little dangling question -- the brakes don't drag
    because a> in front, the pads just sit loosely right by the
    rotors until squeezed by the piston, and b> in back, the shoes
    are retracted away from the drum by springs. [Not far, they
    continually self-adjust for the right gap.] This is most likely
    why when the brake pedal is first applied, that a small burst of
    pressure increase is seen in the rear lines but not the fronts --
    to move the rear shoes just a little toward the drums and get
    them ready for the big rub should they be needed. But even with
    that it's all regen until one of the limits is exceeded.
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    The braking is easily one of the most complex aspects of the
    car, and represents one of the major pieces of integration between
    several controllers.
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    This is all great and it largely confirms what I already thought I knew about the brakes on the Prius. I still have one question though.

    What event triggers the cancellation of cruise control?

    I have had a few times where I've pressed the brake pedal quite lightly, yet firm enough that I expected the cruise control to cancel, and cruise control did not cancel. As I pressed a bit more firmly it eventually did cancel, just not as soon as I expected it. Is there some gap, switch, pressure, or sensor that may need adjusting?

    I've mostly adjusted to just press the brake firm enough if I'm on cruise control, or to tap the "off" button on the cruise control stalk, so I haven't given it much thought, but since this thread is here, I thought maybe I'd hijack it with my question.
     
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    Hobbit, the key thing for me was seeing the fail-over solenoid valves that are used to reconfigure the hydraulic system in the event of a major failure. Without those, there would either be no manual hydraulic backup, or manual hydraulic braking action would have to be on all of the time, which would cause the brakes to drag during regen.

    Your post explains the details in how the pads and shoes are retracted. I like the return valves that are used to relieve pressure at the actuators. It's a well thought out and very clever system.

    As for cruise control, most systems use the brake light switch for cancellation. I don't know if this is true on the Prius. It could be either of the two brake pedal switches, either of the brake pressure switches, or more likely, just a signal from the brake ECU. Maybe hobbit knows.

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    The service manual seems to indicate that the stop light switch signals the HV ECU to cancel the cruise control. See page CC-10 for a troubleshooting guide.
     
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    Actually, that's what I figured, and is why I posted when/where I did.

    My question was related to braking, so I figured this thread would be appropriate enough, and hobbit had just posted, so I thought he might see and be in a helpful mood. ;)
     
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    Hi Danny,

    The stop light switch signals the hybrid vehicle ECU to disengage the cruise function. The spacing between the switch and the pedal is adjustable (the following is per the 2005 repair manual):

    "Turn the stop lamp switch so that the clearance between
    its thread portion tip and the area where the
    pedal makes contact is between 0.5 to 2.4 mm
    (0.020 to 0.095 in.). Tighten the lock nut.​
    Torque: 26 N-m (265 kgf-cm, 19 ft-lbf)"
     
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    Ah, I get it. So they're magic brakes. :D
     
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    The Priusses with rear discs (EG all European models) have dedicated brake drums in the rear wheel hubs for the parking brake.