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Toyota About to Ruin My Community

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by boulder_bum, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. boulder_bum

    boulder_bum Senior Member

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    So I live in a small suburb of Denver whose charm is its somewhat secluded, mountain-town feel.

    I guess Toyota is coming to town, which I think is a good thing, but they are putting the dealership in THE WORST possible location! It's smack dab in the middle of two residential areas and a stone's throw from the local high school and the town's largest park.

    I'm livid! :mad:

    There's a large commercial zone on the north end of town where an auto dealership would fit well, and another auto dealership literally a few miles south right off an interstate exit that make so much more sense! I don't know here, I'm obviously a Toyota fan, but this may quickly change if Toyota doesn't change course!

    Does anyone know the best person to submit angry letters to?
     
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    Your zoning commission. They are the ones who make those decisions. If the land is zoned for that sort of development, you can't really blame Toyota.

    Tom
     
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    Wouldn't it also be the decision of the dealership owner (in addition to city planning dept.) and not Toyota directly?
     
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    He doubly can't blame Toyota. Dealerships are independently owned. Still, a complaint to Toyota USA couldn't hurt...
     
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    Your best bet is to go and get a few hundred neighbors and residents of those two communities that feel as you do and go to your next town council meeting to post a formal complaint. Near where I live residents successfully stopped an Ikea from opening in their city because the residents were so vocal and strongly against it.

    Good luck to you
     
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    This is your best course. Once you've organized your neighbors, you can also go to the zoning commission, as qbee suggested (a couple hundred neighbors, or even a dozen, will have more clout than you alone.)

    Also, as several posters noted, a dealership's location has nothing to do with Toyota. A dealership is an independent company that does not consult Toyota and over which Toyota has no control. Toyota is not going to tell a dealer that he cannot open shop in a residential neighborhood. But your zoning commission or city council can stop it.
     
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    Trust me, I'm not happy with my city planners right now either (the zoning itself is absolutely boneheaded), but I don't buy the idea that businesses have no obligation to their community if they can legally get away with something. I also think companies bear responsibility to anything with their brand directly attached to it.

    That said, it sounds like I do need to better understand the role of all parties involved (I'm just heard about it today, and getting information on the development from anyone is like pulling teeth).

    Thanks, holy_crap. That's a useful suggestion. It sounds like something like that is brewing and I might play a more active part in it.
     
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    It's been many years since Castle Rock has been either small or secluded. With expansion all the way out to 115 and back to 83 from sedalia to larkspur, the whole area has been exploding in the last decade. There are many other things that would and should be higher on your list of priorities when it comes to the effects of urban sprawl in your area, than a toyota dealership.

    You live in one of the fast growing areas in the US. You don't live in Salida.
     
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    Good on the local Toyota dealer putting a place of employment near housing. Bring back village living I say.
    Sorry but it all sounds a bit NIMBY to me.
     
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    Nope. The community simply doesn't want them in the residential district near everything that makes Castle Rock the charming town it is.

    The town's website advertises itself as:

    "home to slightly more than 42,000 people who love our small-town atmosphere, low crime rate, abundant parks and open space"

    At issue is not whether or not Toyota should come to town, but where they should locate the dealership. Like I said, there are more approriate locations literally a mile or two north in an already developed commercial district or a few miles south next to an existing car dealership (right next to an exit off the interstate).

    The location is:

    1. Smack dab in-between two main residential areas of the city.
    2. Almost right beneath the natural rock formation that gives the town its namesake.
    3. A stone's throw from downtown where you have a collection of victorian style buildings designated as historic sites.
    4 A block from the high-school.

    It's the small-town equivalent of putting a 7-11 at the base of Devil's Tower.
     
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    42,000 people is not a small town. The big city in our area has a population of 14,407 people as of the 2006 census, and it is the largest city in 21 counties. You have to drive more than 140 miles to get to anything bigger. Our village has a population of less than 600. Castle Rock isn't a small town anymore.

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    It's been almost 20 years, since they built the outlet mall, that Castle Rock has been any close to charming. It is essentially a glorified shopping district.

    Separately, 42,000 is NOT a small town. 1000 is a small town, 10,000 is a small town.

    Lastly, Castle Rock is now, more than ever, a bedroom community for Denver (which is all of 20 miles up I-25 with other suburbs right next door) and has no geographical boundary between it and the south suburbs of Denver. It is all one giant megalithic city from Pueblo to Fort Collins. Castle Rock is part of that. You can't tell when you leave Denver and enter Castle Rock.

    The reason I point this out is because it is hardly a pristine small town. It is an incredibly wealthy suburb. People who live in affluent areas love to pawn off the infrastructure of the community that they benefit from onto people in less desirable areas.

    When you live in the perfect example of the failure of urban sprawl, complaining about just one more business falls on def ears.

    It would be far more sustainable for urban density to develop around a downtown core with business and residential uses sharing space. Castle Rock is a perfect example of what NOT to do.

    NIMBY is a perfect explanation.

    No offense to the OP meant.
     
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    Actually, tandblov, several miles of designated open space seperate Castle Rock from Denver, and that's by design so that it retains some of the charm they're about to destroy, and it's with some frustration that I say again that the problem isn't with a Toyota dealership in Castle Rock, it's with the location. There are multiple areas within literally three miles that would have much less impact on the residential communities, parks and scenery.

    Furthermore, when you arrogantly claim that I'm part of an "incredibly wealthy suburb" that tries "to pawn off the infrastructure of the community that they benefit from onto people in less desirable areas", know that the residential areas abutting the dealership site are a set of condos and $250k homes (which is very inexpensive for the Denver area).

    Also, with the other locations, we're still talking "in my back yard", and we're still talking about the city getting all of the tax revenue, it's just a matter of proper city planning.
     
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    Your strongest case will likely be the close proximity to a high-school. The amount of traffic that a dealer would generate in test drives alone would make it dangerous for kids around the school. Other considerations to bring to the table are residential property values, added large truck traffic safety concerns being that it is close to a park as well and possible environmental issues.

    Toyota as a company may not be much help to you, like it was mentioned earlier, it is the individual dealer that made the decision to build there. Make sure you stay very well informed, go to all of your zoning meetings and bring people, lots of people to back up your concerns.
     
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    Fair enough
     
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    While you may be upset at the sale of this land to a dealership, you might consider the person who sold the land. They might be equally upset that someone would not want them to sell it. BTW... A 7-11 could come in handy if you are thirsty. Sorry, but I do not mind a little commercialism. And to me, I enjoy a few billboards to break up the monotony of rocks for scenery.
    Ok, apologizing for my opinion. But it's my 2¢ worth on the subject. Your biggest beef is with the land owner.... jf
     
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    That would be all well and great if it were not for the simple fact that commercialism and urban sprawl is running rampant and destroying vast tracts of open space. There are more than enough places to buy drinks or cars already.
     
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    You keep referring to this as "Toyota coming to town." This is not Toyota you're talking about. It is one independent car dealership that will sell Toyotas.

    Toyota has nothing whatsoever to do with where its dealerships are located because they are separate, independent, businesses.
     
  20. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    ahh small town blues...the pain of expansion....gone is the quaint streets that your children could run thru without risk of danger...

    oh well. i guess we could raise your taxes 25%. that would help pay for needed support services. it is a bummer that any municipality can not cater to each individual need and there most of the time the right thing to do is not always easy to see.

    so you need to be proactive, but in an effective way. mentioning your concerns to Toyota would not hurt and would only take a little time. but synergy as you well know is a force that collectively wields more power than the same forces when expressed alone.

    good luck.