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Plug option with stock traction battery

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by aeronaut, Jul 12, 2007.

  1. aeronaut

    aeronaut New Member

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    Greetings,

    I just got the EV mod from Coastal Tech installed. Everything went great - it's an easy and straightforward mod if one is technically inclined.

    My ex-wife lives about 0.7 miles from my apartment. I often will nip over there to get the kids, get the thing they forgot, get the other thing they forgot, etc. At 1.5 miles round trip, it's a little too far to do the whole thing in EV mode. It would be nice if I could "fill" the traction battery at home, and make the whole trip in EV mode, and then top off the battery again.

    1) Sure, this wouldn't make my Prius a full EV. But it would enable me to save some gas, and more importantly, cut those initial NOx and CO emissions way down. (The worst emissions of almost any modern, properly pollution controlled ICE are right after it starts, with a cold catalytic converter.) And this mod wouldn't be too useful for commuters. But for my large number of short trips, it would save a lot of money and gas and pollution.

    2) No, I'm not looking (right now, at any rate,) to modify the usage parameters of the battery. I'd just want to fill it up to 8 bars (80% SoC, I think.) And I'd want the ICE to kick in at 3 bars as usual.

    3) Yes, I realize that this won't make economic sense. I'd probably invest $50-$300 in parts for a charger, 2-30 hours in time to get it to work, in order to save the energy equivalent of less than $1 of gas on a single top-off charge. It's more about being able to do it than making money.

    4) The biggie. Conventional NiMh chargers run at constant current, for a fixed time, typically C/5 or C/10, where C is the full cell capacity, and then factor in a 60% inefficiency (so they charge for 8 hours at C/5, etc.) What I'd want to do is use a constant voltage charger, set to the voltage of the cell at the 80% full level. That way:

    a) There's be no possibility of overcharging - when the cell reaches that 80% charge level, it would be in electrical equilibrium with the charger, no current would flow, etc.

    b) I wouldn't have to worry about the initial state of the traction battery. If, by some chance, it's overcharged (over 80%), the charger would actually discharge the traction battery down to full. And the lower the charge of the traction battery, the more current would go in. Of course, I'd have to build in current limiting as a safety mechanism as well.

    c) The one disadvantage of this method is that it would be an exponential charging curve, and would take a lot longer to get to the full state than some other form of smart charging. There's probably ICs out there that monitor the charge state and control charging current, but they probably would get their insides toasted by the 201 Volts of the traction battery.

    So, I'm thowing this out to the collective wisdom of the Prius Chat group. I have considerable experience working with power and battery charging circuits. I'm comfortable with circuit design, an oscilloscope, a soldering iron, and modding my car. I will insist on building in many safety features, like isolation relays for both the power input and the traction battery connection.

    Any thoughts? Any comments? Any previous experience? Yes, I've read about the mods going on in California and Canada with Li-Ion batteries, Argonne's research, etc. Want to know what else is out there.

    Regards,
    aeronaut
     
  2. Pegasus_

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    I've been thinking about doing this too, and the quickest easiest way would be to get a microprocessor-controlled charger programmed with the appropriate charge curve for the NiMH cells the Prius uses. (A Panasonic part, whose number I'm sure is available many places on the 'net.)

    In my case, I already own a Zivan NG-3 for my EV. I would just send it to the US distributor for reprogramming for the Prius pack, add an Anderson connector to the Prius pack, connect the charger to that connector, and plug 'er in.

    Downside: The NG3 costs around $1,000. Info here: Zivan NG3 Battery Charger
     
  3. mangums

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    My drive to work is very short, only two miles. It seems like if I could start with the traction pack at 80% and install the EVonly switch, I could probably navigate my way to work before I hit 40% (or very close to it). I could then just plug in my charger and get it back to 80% before I went home. Repeat when I get home.

    I haven't seen any thread where someone tried to charge the pack back to 80%. Seems like it would be pretty easy to get a charge plug connected to the battery. I would happily purchase a Zivan NG3. Any clue what the voltage of the pack is at 80% charge?

    They are 6.5Ah cells. Seems like a very low charge current would work and not heat the pack up at all. Let's say there is only 2.5Ah of capacity available and the entire amount gets drained. I could charge at 2.5A for one hour and be back in business. I would just need to tell Zivan the voltage that I want to charge to and have a way to limit the max current.

    Doesn't seem that difficult. What am I missing here?

    Steve
     
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    Unless the route to work is mostly downhill, you will not be able to make it to work on battery alone. However, when the battery is at a high SOC, it will push more power through the electric motor, and the ICE can work less. I would think that the Thermistor Hack, and starting off the battery at 80% would yield excellent FE numbers for that short commute.
     
  5. Bob64

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    This may decrease battery life as your cycling it further then it is normally cycled...