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Magnetic Field Reduction

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by Ellie, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. redrockprius

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    Thanks for the hilarious link! I wonder how many lawyers would jump on the bandwagon and try to find clients to take down the purveyors of that nasty dihydrogen monoxide.
     
  2. Dngrsone

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    Hrm... perhaps I should advise my uncle to take that pacemaker out of his chest... wouldn't want him to get cancer from the internally-generated EMF. :eek:
     
  3. Ellie

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    Before you get too full of yourself, you might check your owner's manual - it says that people with implanted pacemakers and cardiac defibrillators should keep away from the smart entry and start system antennas as the radio waves may affect the operation of these devices.
     
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    So what you are saying is that the EMF generated by electronic and electrical devices implanted under the skin is okay, but those fields much farther away (and therefore very much weaker according to the inverse-square law) are more dangerous? [​IMG]
     
  5. Ellie

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    Huh? I'm saying that before you get carried away with trying to make jokes to ridicule my thread (despite my request), you might see that there actually may be a field in the car that those with pacemakers might consider (you just chose the wrong "joke").
     
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    I would like to use the ELF generated by the tires, upconvert to cell phone band and selectively use it to jam other drivers cell phone transmissions when they are paying too much attention to their call and not enough to the road. Can I do that? Will I need to wear a foil hat to protect myself?
     
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    [​IMG] ...or you read the wrong joke.

    Then again, perhaps you are right. My point (and that of many other posters in this thread, I believe) is that there is no conclusive and very little circumstantial evidence that says that the typical electromagnetic fields generated and surrounding us are harmful to our biology.

    I can, however, understand a desire to mitigate the amount of EMF being generated in an area, as my line of work for many years involved, among other things, proofing electronic equipment against EMF, and I personally, have tried to minimize the fields in my own home not for perceived health reasons, but to reduce interference between different transceivers as well as my computers.

    So, if you are part of the former camp, then you will be subject to a small amount of the ridicule you have already expected and have gone to pains to avoid. We won't convince you that you are wrong, nor will you manage the same to us.

    If you are in the latter camp, i.e. you have other, specific reasons to reduce the emissions in your vehicle, then you might better serve yourself (and help us serve you) by specifying those reasons.
     
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    the concern about pacemakers is rf, not emf. sks works with radiofrequency so if turning off sks will solve the issue, then it's rf.
     
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    The SKS uses a low power radio signal. The prose in the manual is standard cover-your-butt legal disclaimer copy used with any radio device and pacemakers. You should also stay away from cell phones, bluetooth headsets, garage door openers, and radio stations when wearing a pacemaker. There isn't much risk, but what risk there is comes from the fact that pacemakers use a remote system to set their configuration. There is a tiny chance that a strong radio signal could force a pacemaker into diagnostic mode. It has nothing to do with inherent risk from EMF, but specifically from the remote control system for pacemakers. The Prius includes an on/off switch for the SKS. Turn it off if you don't want it.

    As for feeling ridiculed, if you wear a tinfoil hat people are going to make fun of you. You may get the last laugh if your paranoia turns out to be correct, but as it is now, there is no good evidence that everyday EMF causes any sort of problem in humans. The risk of driving your car is far greater than any risk from EMF. You have way more EMF from you house wiring than in the Prius. Are you going to disconnect your electricity? How about radiation from your fireplace. All that ash is a good source of radiation. All we are suggesting is that you need a little perspective on the real risks involved.

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    If for medical reasons you must avoid radiofrequency exposure - say due to an implanted pacemaker or defibrillator - then you're going to have to avoid a lot of places.

    Pacemakers or implanted defibrillators are vulnerable to the ISM band of radiation, as such you would have to avoid microwave ovens, a lot of automatic doors found in malls and grocery stores, certain cellular telephones, wireless routers, etc

    Otherwise, the level of EMF in a Prius or other car isn't a concern. There are many exposure sources in the environment and at work that are far greater levels

    Oh, and keep qbee42 away from hard liquor. I had a full bottle last night, now it's empty.
     
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    galaxee, I know - that's why I said radio waves. I was assuming the poster was conflating them when they brought up the pacemaker.

    Anyway, if someone is interested in this issue, they can private message me. I didn't expect seriousness here (but thanks for the replies that were serious, or at least made a creative attempt at humor, rather than the cliche "tin foil hat") or to convince anyone, I was just hoping to find other people with a similar concern.
     
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    I thought it was more that it was inconclusive at this point, rather than a definite no. Am I the only one here who thinks it might be wise to limit cell phone use (especially for kids)?
     
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    Of course that's wise, in essence you're holding a radio transmitter to your skull. I prefer a headset or handsfree myself.
     
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    Probably I'm conflating issues now. Nevermind :)
     
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    Radio Shack sells an EMF / EMI reader. First get one and report the current values. Otherwise, we could tell you to just wrap your seats in aluminum foil and you'd never know if it works.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I agree with that. A cell phone is a fairly strong source of RF when it's held right up to your head. An even bigger health risk are the drivers that insist on using them while on the road.

    Tom
     
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    I see the wisdom of limiting cell-phone use by kids, albeit for different reasons.

    If you are going to protect your kids from RF, then you will have to get rid of those wireless video game controllers, wireless home phones, wifi and bluetooth laptop computers. Portable stereos generate small amounts of RF as well as receiving it.

    Cathode Ray Tubes (CRTs), which regular televisions and computer monitors employ, are shooting electrons out the face-- that is a form of RF radiation.

    Really... if this were a problem, then computer geeks would be dropping like flies. Radio station, telephone and electric company technicians would be wandering around in copper-mesh radiation suits.

    RF isn't some newfangled thing that's only recently showed up, it's been around a while. Radio is more than a century old. Radar is almost seventy years old-- we know how much RF from a transmitter is harmful and what is not-- the military services established that a long time ago, and if the Army is content with letting their soldiers tote full-blown radio transmitters on their backs and put them to their ears, sailors are allowed to stroll around the deck of a ship with a full array of radio, satellite, and radar transmitters only 20 meters above their heads, then I think it's pretty safe to assume that there will be no lasting harm to them because of it. (seriously, the services do everything in their power to keep their people healthy-- a sick soldier can't fight)
     
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    Exactly the reason I desire a practical cell phone jamming device. Its for the benefit of society. ;)
     
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    When you get that one working, let me know, okay? because I'll buy that technology from you!!