Help! Prius swaying/wobbling issue

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Tideland Prius, Jan 31, 2008.

  1. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    (Edit: Resolved!) Help! Prius swaying/wobbling issue

    I thought I'd ask the folks here before I take it in to the dealer.


    Background info:
    - Nokian WRs installed on 1st Dec 2007 mounted and balanced
    - 64,000km full maintenance service done on Nov 3
    - 72,000km oil & filter service done 5th Jan


    Problem:
    - at low speeds (<20km/h) the car wobbles from side to side. Sitting in the back seat, I'm swaying left and right
    - At higher speeds, it goes away and I'm able to sit still
    - Occurs on all road surfaces. Of course it's easier to notice it on a smooth surface without other factors playing in the jostling of your body
    - Car tracks straight with no hands on the wheel.


    Does anyone have any idea what might be the issue? I'm thinking either alignment (but then the car tracks straight) or maybe one or a few wheel lugs are loose (have no way of checking them since I don't have a torque wrench). Could it be the fact that the tyres have an aggressive tread pattern? I've checked to make sure they're facing the right way (WRs are directional tyres) but I can double check again.

    At the 72,000km service, I asked the front desk and he said it might be the new tyres wearing in.

    At the next service (80,000km), I'll have them rotated anyway since i rotate them every 16,000km but I don't know if I wanna wait that long cause the swaying motion is quite noticeable.
     
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    Flying White Dutchman Senior Member

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    dit you check the tire's?
    maybe a protection wire inside broke and you can see a bubble! pushing out
     
  3. Priusaurus110

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    Tideland: I have had this before on one of my other cars. Turned out to be one of the brand new tires I bought was out of round...i.e. a defective tire.
     
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    This sounds strange. I can't think of anything that would be noticeable at low speeds, but not high. Usually balance/out of round/alignment issues get worse the faster you go. If the lug nuts were loose enough to cause a wobble, you wouldn't need a torque wrench to find out.
     
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    I had something like this happen with a Camry I drove back in the day...

    It ended up being a suspension member that was broken that allowed the rear passenger-side tire to pivot (kinda like a front tire does when you turn the steering wheel). I ended up finding the problem by using a floor jack to raise the front and rear of the car, grabbing the tires, and trying to get them to move.

    Not sure if you've tried anything like this or not, but it's worth a shot.
     
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    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    I'm going with the defective tyre.

    Have a look at them if you see a bulge don't even drive on it to the tyre shop, put the spare on and drive down on that. Deflate the tyre before putting it in the car. I had a bulge on one of my 6x4' trailer tyres, it blew out while just standing with no load in my yard with so much force there was a hole about 1/4 the size of the whole tread and I thought someone had thrown something at my window, the shock wave hit the window with almost enough force to break it it seemed. I'd hate that to happen while driving.
     
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    That's a great suggestion! It would be fairly simple for him to jack up one wheel at a time, give it a firm wiggle to see if it wobbles or is obviously loose
     
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    Is it possible to have somebody else drive the Prius at under 20 km/h while you follow behind at a safe distance in another car? Just to look for obvious shimmy from the wheels

    I'm sure you've seen semi trucks going down the road and the trailer dual tires are wobbling back and forth because the grease monkey back at the tire shop used a supercharged impact gun to improperly tighen the wheel to the hub

    A tire improperly mounted can cause the same wobble, but usually you have that at high speed too. Usually *worse* at higher speed

    Any shops in your area offer Road Force Balancing? I had that done to my FJ Cruiser to get rid of an annoying shimmy after I had the Goodyear Fortera TripleTred's installed. With the Toyo snow tires, I insisted on having a Road Force shop balance them.

    Hunter GSP9700 Wheel Vibration Control System

    If you live in the US you can use the web site to find a tire shop equipped with the Road Force machine. Otherwise you have to contact Hunter to locate a shop in Canada

    Hunter GSP9700 Wheel Vibration Control System
     
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    That's odd. I used to have a camper, and the same thing happened to me too around a month after I bought the unit. Brand new camper with brand new tires.

    I had stopped to gas up my GMC Sierra pickup, and happened to notice the bulge in one of the tires. I put the spare on, drove to a tire shop, and they claimed that it wasn't too unusual for a camper tire to fail like that. The internal defect usually causes the belt to separate or the sidewall cord - in my case - to fail.

    That would have been an exciting drive for me if the tire had failed at highway speeds
     
  10. Tideland Prius

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    What do you mean check the tyres?

    I've inspected them, yes. I've kept the pressure up, yes (max is 47 PSI, I have them running at 40/38). I kicked the tyres yesterday at a parking lot. Nothing out of the ordinary that I can see.

    If you wish, I could take a second look. We've been hit with a serious of snow storms recently so I haven't had the time yet.

    Hmmm.... so how do look for that? I mean I can see if there's a bulge or something but... if it's slightly out of shape, I can't really see that with the naked eye, can I?

    ohh ok. Well I was thinking maybe the lugs were loose enough to cause that but aren't loose enough that I can twist them with my bare hands.

    ehh... hopefully it's not that cause that would suck. The Prius uses a torsion beam at the back rather than an IRS in the Camry. Would that make a difference (i.e. more/less robust than the IRS)

    Will double check when the car's home tonight. Dad has it right now.

    Yeah it's the opposite. At higher speeds, I don't feel anything out of the ordinary at all. It's when you start braking for a traffic light or stop sign then you start to feel the wobble.

    I had the tyres mounted at Zylstra Tire Centre in Lynden, WA so if there's anything wrong with the tyres, it'll be long way to the tyre store. (about 1 hour of highway driving plus border wait)



    Alright so just to make sure I haven't missed anything. Here are the things I need to look for when the car gets home


    1. Check for bulge
    2. Check the shape of the tyre
    3. Test wheel lugs
    4. If possible, get in another vehicle and follow my car (more troublesome now that the Camry is totalled.. bah).

    did I miss anything?

    Thanks to all that replied!
     
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    What happened to your Camry? I guess I haven't been keeping up with all the gossip. Now that I think about it, haven't heard from Frank Hudon in a long time

    I have to ask a question. Did the wobble start only after you had the tires installed, or afterwards, or after hitting a pothole or something else? Something here does not add up in the usual way, though a tire defect is starting to become a culprit
     
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    You mentioned a lot of snow recently. Any snow frozen inside the wheel? I remember once I had snow or ice or something frozen inside a wheel and it felt like a wheel was out of balance. I might be barking up the wrong tree, but I just thought of it. Went away when things melted after a few days.
     
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    as everyone else has mentioned, it could be a ton of different things. can't really tell much over the internet. best to have someone look at it in person, of course.

    sorry we've been scarce in the tech stuff, DH has had it rough lately!
     
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    I would suggest you look at the tread after you jack it up & spin the wheel. you will see that the plys have shifted & the tread will wobble so you can see it.
     
  15. Tideland Prius

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    So I washed and waxed the car today.

    Didn't have time to jack up the car but I did inspect the tyres closely.

    The treads seem ok and no bulge on the sidewalls. Tugging at the alloy rims (with the car on the ground) didn't reveal anything suspicious (e.g. no weird noise or anything that felt loose).

    I'll see if I can get the car up on the jack tomorrow and spin the wheels and see if that reveals anything. Maybe I'll take a closer look at the suspension too.

    Thanks for your responses!

    A taxi totalled it on Granville St. Ugh. And he had passengers onboard too!

    Yeah no idea where Frank went. Or Dave or Kinghuang or sarge for that matter. Canuck and Presto are still around.

    It started after I had the tyres installed. Never experienced it with the Integritys.

    Could be potholes but I've hit several with the Integritys and the car still tracked true.

    possibly. Today was +7°C (might've touched 8 but I don't know) and sunny. Washed and waxed the car. The wobble is still there but not as ... umm I'm hesistant to use the word "violent"... how 'bout.. less noticeable than before.

    No worries. I realise somethings need to be seen in person. I'm hoping maybe someone had experienced it before.


    Alright. I'll take a look when I jack up the car.
     
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    I've had brand new tires that had one that wasn't round... it's called out of round, and it will wobble at low speeds. You may not actually see it.

    I would take it back to the tyre dealer and tell them about the wobble.. they can do a check on it that will detect anomolies, and it should be under their warranty, right?

    Just a thought.
     
  17. Tideland Prius

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    ohh..

    yeah I could but again, it'sa 200km round trip (and across the border). Guess that's the price I pay for buying out of country lol.
     
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    This is starting to look like either a defective tire, incorrect mounting of tire on the part of the tire shop, or a loose/improperly torqued wheel. I would think this is leaning towards a defective tire, my two cats concur

    If you can find a tire shop in the Vancouver area that has the Hunter Road Force machine, that will immediately detect a tire out of round or otherwise defective. When I had the Road Force done on the Goodyear Fortera TripleTreds on my FJ Cruiser, the tire shop even labeled where each directional tire should go for best highway tracking.

    A conventional tire balance where the tire just spins in the air cannot uncover a defective tire. You could "balance" a square tire, but it would be impossible to drive with one

    Best of luck
     
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    Not impossible if you have the right road.
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    Good thing I looked at that photo before drinking. Or you may have been responsible for a psychotic episode