Toyota doing its part to help the US economy?

Nice ducking and diving, but maybe admitting you are wrong by speculating and not understanding these number might be better. Produce actual numbers or keep your trap shut, your trolling is pathetic at best.

And I still have no idea why the mods even tolerate you on this forum. You add nothing as you now readily admit, by admitting to speculation on numbers you don't understand nor can produce accurate calculations from.

 

I think he was originally tolerated as a devil's advocate. Sorta practice for Prius owners in debunking prius-myths. Now he's just a broken record. It's obvious he's not hear to learn anything and he doesn't pay any attention to what is being offered. He's all talk and no listen. And he doesn't offer anything new or insightful.

He's tolerated because he doesn't insult people or indulge in name-calling. I.E. he is a courteous and polite troll. Highly annoying but otherwise harmless.

Put him on ignore with the rest. Priuschat reads better that way.

 

I think you have a great idea, to the ignore list. No need to waste my time on nonsense and poorly constructed arguments based on distorted data.

 

I've recently discovered this function as well. Godiva is right.

 

I read the JAMA brochure and it did give me a warm fuzzy feeling. New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. produces Vibes for Pontiac and Corollas for Toyota. I suspect this is a US corporation. IMO that makes these Vibes & Corollas American made. The Pontiac division of GM & Toyota are just marketing the product.

Yes, the trade policies are unfair but our government wrote or ratified them. I guess the foreign companies & governments did a better job of buying Congress.

The sad truth is that the Big 3 misread or ignored the market. When GM whines that its 50mpg car isn't selling due to unfair trade practices I'll listen. When GM starts to pay a fair price for quality parts instead of suing AC-Delco for the cost of warranty repairs due to crap parts I'll believe they will improve their ranking in the quality surveys.

Until you choose to get into the market don't complain that someone else beat you to it.

My Prius is 100% Japanese (according to the sticker) and if my $25000 helped put arrogant, lazy, or incompetant GM employees out of work then good.

 

the sad part is that gm employees are for the most part, caught in the middle. its only a small group of gm execs that are making the piss poor decisions that makes being an american just that much less shiny

ford has the best selling hybrid SUV on the market and deservedly so. gm had the same agreement and benefits package with their employees as ford, same opportunities to create something good, same highly skilled workforce to put it to fruition and so what did they do with that?

well, if i were to comment on what they did, it would match their real progress and that means there is nothing else for me to say

 

It has been said before, but what you fail to realize is that you are completely wasting your time on this board. If the majority of the people on PC we're interested in a Malibu, Tahoe or Silverado, they probably wouldn't be driving a Prius to begin with. How is that even remotely hard to understand?

 

I actually have done just that. When the "GM Experience" came to Birmingham I took a Malibu and CTS for a spin.

The Malibu looks good on the outside and the interior is a quantum leap from the old model and any other Chevy I've seen. Of course they had the top of the line V6 model. It drove fine on my 6 mile test drive, not sporty but not too bad. It did get horrible gas mileage though. I drove normally around the test loop which was a equal combination of Interstate, State Highway, and City. The trip computer showed an average of 19 mpg. That is with a vehicle that was already warmed up and the trip computer reset for my trip.

The CTS was very nice but the interior is overdone. It drove very well, tighter than a Mercedes C or E Class but softer than a BMW 3 series. It also got 19 mpg on the test loop but puts down quite a bit more power.

I've also ridden in one of the new Silverados. Fine I guess but I don't really understand why a truck needs a leather interior. Of course owner of the vehicle doesn't tow or haul anything, he just likes how he looks in a truck and wants to drive a big vehicle. (His words, not mine. He says my VW Jetta and Prius aren't "manly" vehicles. )

If these vehicles are the start of GM turnaround, then I expect good things to come from GM. I wish them well. However, I don't see anything besides the Volt that shows that GM is looking to make fuel efficent vehicles. I can't think of any GM vehicles that get more than 30 mpg combined. I also don't see them making any flex-fuel vehicles that aren't large cars or SUV's where the flex-fuel capability is only for CAFE reasons. I guess we'll see.

 

I don't believe these numbers because there are no cars made in Asia, I would think GM source cars from Daewoo South Korea? Where are GM America's small cars made? How many come from Europe? any Cadilacs come from the Saab factory? We should be talking GM products not just GM badged.

 

WHen did Japan get moved into North America?