The Denial Industry

why do you think it's the lowest common denominator?

I happen to think that's what YOU represent.. just another person caught up in the great shill of the global warming marketing machine.

but that's just me.

 

Because that's what the "average" represents. Welcome to the status quo.

So this means you haven't read my posts then (and I'm just talking about this thread here).

I've posted thousands of times on these forums. Find where I'm all caught up in the global warming debate. I'm not. There are plenty enough reasons to change what we're doing without even considering global warming. Your arguments seem to revolve around the idea that if Global Warming cannot be proven, then we might as well continue polluting. If there is no global warming, then we're all safe from the crap we send into the air and into the water. And yes, it IS all my fault.

If you're happy with your ignorance, why bother trying to convince anybody else that your "Average American thinking" is correct? If you are the average American, then you've already got the numbers on your side. Be happy in your ignorance and maybe take a nap.

 

Apparently you are so totally consumed with yourself and how important you are, that you've neglected to read any of my posts in this topic.

Wow.

How weak.

 

OK, then. Since this is somewhat like aguing with a paper sack, I guess I'll call it a day.

Anybody else want to take a stab?

 

Aside from global warming I think people forgot why CARB came to life in the first place. I believe it was called air pollution since air quality got pretty bad in large cities.

I think the whole global warming thing is actually doing a disservice to environmental conservation, as it give all these so called scientist a stab to say it can't be proven so don't worry about pollution.

The fact of the matter is that pollution is real and it is here, better to start dealing with sooner rather than later. Lets just slap CO2 under air pollution and the fact that it reduce air quality in a different way.

I don't believe anybody is promoting the sky will fall tomorrow and to go out and buy the latest gizmos tomorrow. Rather to make conscious and smart choices at every opportunity. In the market for new car, get an economical unit with great gas mileage and low pollution, new washer/dryer = same, new bulbs do the same, try and do the right thing at every opportunity that is presented and also support people pushing large government and companies in the right direction (more renewable power sources, lower consumption and pollution, etc, etc).

If everybody got heir act together and start doing their part it will make a huge difference. Sitting back and criticizing other people's effort and not coming up with something constructive is not.

 

You can't really argue with someone who's mind is made up so strongly based on a feeling or hunch that marketers and the IPCC are trying to flim-flam him. He's going by gut feeling and he enjoys a good conspiracy so data doesn't matter to him. Science uses data as the ultimate arbiter but he doesn't value that. So it's a lost cause.

Still I'd like to point out though that the net rise in CO2 has probably been going on since the industrial revolution started - so how long is that? Certainly long enough to have an accumulated effect on the atmosphere and the average global temperature. It's not just the output from last year's car driving, fish antlers.

 

what's wrong? you had to run away because you've been caught misquoting me and putting words in my mouth

 

Darell!! you got to be kidding me!

here is a guy who claims that there are no privately owned Priuses in Canada... that they are all owned by taxi-cab companies...

a guy whose avatar promotes what??? i cant even bring myself to comment on.

i have to say the paperbag statement is still understating the situation

 

Excellent point. One that I intended to bring up, but kept ending up in *response* mode for some reason. Defending the status quo is a bit of wasted energy, I'd think!

True. I'm generous that way - I didn't want to sound insulting.

 

I suspect that fish_antlers doesn't actually *believe* the stuff he's spouting, but he's merely playing "devil's advocate" to have an argument.


However, this argument/thread has elicited some valuable insights into one of the greatest threats to our way of life (if not our very existence)

"Things fall apart, the centre does not hold"
- William Butler Yeats

 

I'm not playing devil's advocate....


I guess I'll clarify for all the thread skimmers who havent read what I've written...

Do I believe the climate is changing?

Yes

Do I think it's a bad thing

No

Do I believe that man is causing this climate change

No

Do I think you should pollute or act irresponsibly towards the environment

No

being a good citizen doesnt need some marketing machine behind it to justify your stewardship IMHO...

I am appalled at the amount of intelligent people who have been had by the marketing machine that is "man made" global warming.

The earth (and the universe) is going to do whatever it wants with or without man's input. That;s a fact.

 

The earth is highly populated with living organisms and biotic as well as abiotic systems. The biotic systems have fundamentally shaped the planet in a way that allows life to thrive. Yes, life create the conditions that are condusive to life. To dumb it down, living organisms created the atmosphere and climate that allows us to live. We are living organisms and to think that we cannot destroy the atmosphere is to be completely ignorant of how these systems came into being and regenerate themselves. Of course the planet will continue to rotate and geologic processes will continue with our without us, but our input does indeed make a huge difference in the future of humanity and other life forms.

 

I'm with you on the 'life creates itself' part, but I hunch we need to take the 'dumbing down' to a whole new level here.

 

Wow.. thanks for "dumbing it down". None of us knew ANY of that.

Man... you's got's lot's'a smart's You sum kind-uh-sigh-un-tist?

 

You certainly talk as if it's news to you. If you knew organisms created Earth's atmosphere, why is it such a mental leap to think organisms can change it? Assuming you've got 'smarts', here's your chance to show them.

 

Like Hyo stated, you do not seem to know anything in this area of study judging by your posts. Instead of arguing a point with something valid you come in with childish attacks like the above. Ecology and systems theory is pretty esoteric for most people so my "dumbing it down" comment was generalized and not directed at you therefore I was not attacking you directly though I admit I was debating your point.

I've given up on trying to educate you on the subject but I am pretty sure there are lurkers here who would do well not to take what you write for fact so I like to provide a different, and dare I saw more informed, opinion.

Should you chose to change your tune and want to learn more I have provided you with numerous links that can go a long ways towards educating yourself on the subject. That is not a bash. Just trying to toss in a little helpfullness to mitigate my sometimes callous posts.

 

I don't need you to provide me with numerous links to anything... thanks.

 

LOL

 

It made me laugh too!

 

I must confess I'm conflicted between discussing this important issue and feeding an obtuse whacked-out ego. However, I'd like to comment on a couple of points mentioned in this thread:

Yes, the earth will do whatever it wants to do, but what it wants to do is affected to some extent by our actions. You do what you want, but if I blow smoke in your face, you will want to cough.

That's putting the cart before the horse. The dangers of GW have been realized by scientists and environmentalists for some time now. However, corporations are (virtually by definition) only concerned with making money. Hence, the best way (maybe the only way) to get corporations to reduce their GW-causing activities is to make them understand that they can make money by being "green".

This "climate change marketing machine" was created by those who understand the threat of GW, and how to effect change in our market-driven economy