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Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by Paul Gregory, Mar 10, 2025.

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  1. rjparker

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    Toyota does err on the side of caution. Maybe you should get rid of the car.
     
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    Maybe I don't choose to be infinitely risk-averse.
     
    #22 Paul Gregory, Mar 16, 2025
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Will you pay for Toyota's legal fees? That's the risk driving these decisions.
     
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    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    My 2017 Prius did that too, but the Camry is a REAL pain. When that icon shows, the rear seat belt alert (which cannot be turned off) covers up the actual outdoor temperature! Why is knowing it is below 37F more important than knowing the actual temperature??
     
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    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    If they did that, they would have not let the crazy Gen 4 Prius notification system anywhere near the road. It was so distracting, it was borderline dangerous, especially when driving an unfamiliar car at night! It is normally reasonable to assume full screen notifications are urgent, not just informational.

    The notifications on my 2025 Camry (Gen 5 hybrid) are MUCH more reasonable for the most part.
     
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    Does that seem as ridiculous to you, as it does to me?
     
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    I certainly could have done without the ordeal I experienced today. My car would not turn on; the voltmeter said 4.9V. I had driven it the day before, and it was parked for about 19 hours. I had not experienced much drain before this, and I believed it could easily go a day without the battery being drained. I was wrong. I needed a boost, but unfortunately my booster pack was in the back seat, but my days of crawling into the back are over. The driver door was unlocked, but all the others were locked. I reached the rear door handle but it would not open, and the door lock was also unresponsive. I plugged in my battery maintainer, but at 2 amps, it was going to take several hours to raise the voltage high enough. The rear hatch was also inaccessible, and as before, I am incapable of accessing the manual release.

    It was over an hour before someone came along to give me a boost. Lesson learned: keep the booster pack in the front of the car.
     
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    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    Either a case of excessive drain or a failed battery. Your first lesson should have been to determine what caused the issue. A booster pack is not the solution and only masks the actual issue.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Nope.
    @Trollbait and I do not agree on very many things in this forum but he's absolutely correct about Toyota's legal department (if not some DOT) INSISTING that the car warn the car's drivers about the possibility of ice on the road when it gets......cold.

    If a driver dies and goes to Hell, he or she will see one of THESE signs EVERY TIME they go over a bridge:
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    It's not because drivers are stupid.....
    It's because some lawyers ARE'NT!!
     
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    It's certainly not a failed battery. That issue has been well addressed. I am fairly certain that it's caused by excessive drain, probably caused by over the air updates. I had no problems for over 6 months, when I plugged in my battery maintainer. As I said, the battery drain is highly variable, I had previously parked the car for 3 days without much drain on the battery. As a bit of a test, I wanted to see how much battery drain there would be if i didn't use the battery maintainer, and the result was as I described. I have no control over when the wireless updates will happen, and this time it caught me unprepared.

    You seem to have all the answers, but don't seem to have much of a clue about the situation I have described in detail. Is it that you don't read my posts, or do you have a short memory?
     
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    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    Actually, some people from other countries would argue it is because the US is an extremely litigious society compared to some other countries. I was raised in Canada in the 60's & 70's, for reference.
     
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    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    Without testing the battery, we really do not know though.
     
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    The battery has been thoroughly tested, and replaced, even though it was still in spec.
    I knew someone would go for the easiest answer; "replace the battery." That is no solution.
     
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    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    I meant it could be either issue and did not realize the battery had already been checked out. I know my 2025 Camry XLE Gen 5 hybrid can sit for days & be OK.
     
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    My Prius Prime sat for 3 days previously without much battery drain. That's why I decided to test it without the battery maintainer. I was surprised to be locked out after only 19 hours.

    BTW, I found out about the manual unlock for the rear doors only today.
     
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    My son's 2023 RAV4 Prime sometimes sits at home for several days but he leaves it plugged in.
     
    #36 Prodigyplace, Mar 18, 2025
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    A car like that should be replaced by Toyota
     
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    In my opinion, and how I use the car:

    The warning message that tells me the lane-keeping assist doesn't work below 32 miles per hour (or something like that) is more annoying than anything. It pops up and distracts at the worst times - approaching a turn when I'm slowing down, or approaching an intersection when I'm slowing down. I don't want a distracting alarm showing up on the screen when I should be paying more attention to what's going on outside the car.

    The navigation system is also more of a pain than it's worth. For the most part, I already know how to get where I'm going (such as going to work, or the grocery store). I would think that for all the money Toyota and other manufacturers put into the navigation screens, maybe they could strike a deal with Google to make a navigation system that integrates with your phone. Like linking your Bluetooth audio or phone functions, but for navigation data. Other than that, the car's navigation display will always be out of date, and overly expensive to still be out of date, only less so.
     
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    When I don't use the plug-in feature, my app shows the charge level as 30%. The EV range is of course, zero. This is the state which I believe will result in the best battery longevity.

    But regardless of this, the remote start feature of the app will not work unless there is some EV range in the battery. The app says the battery is at 30%, but the car does not start, saying, "the charge level must be at least 30%." So, because of this, I try to maintain a small charge in the hybrid battery (more than 30%) to enable a remote start. This seems like a design flaw to me.
     
    #39 Paul Gregory, Mar 23, 2025
  20. bisco

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    There is a 30% you see on the screen, which is the ev portion of the battery, and the 30% you can see on a proper reader, which is the actual percentage of the total battery
     
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