Formula for hybrid resistance

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  1. West3rnSpy

    West3rnSpy New Member

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    Hello!

    Going through the flow chart of P0A94 / 555 for 2005 Prius.

    I'm confused when It comes to the formula on step 5 & 6, I don't get it. Temperature at the time of measurements was 17c.

    Hybrid Vehicle Motor resistance:
    U - V: 128.4
    V - W: 128.2
    W - U: 128.3

    Hybrid Vehicle Generator resistance:
    U - V: 104.5
    V - W: 104.1
    W - U: 104.3

    Everything checks out and is good for the insulation test and voltage test on the inverter stop test. So far, I'm going with the inverter being toast. :eek:.... Forum won't allow me to post the link to the Charm li diag for this.
     
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    Crazy how many people have seen this, yet don't want to help explain the math. I fixed the vehicle, I just want to know the how/why behind the math.
     
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    If the motor temperature is too high, the resistance varies considerably, which hinders determining malfunction. Therefore, measure the resistance at a minimum 8 hours after the vehicle has been stopped.
    Tester Connection Specified Condition*
    U (I14–1) – V (I14–2) Below 135 mΩ at 20C
    V (I14–2) – W (I14–3) Below 135 mΩ at 20C
    W (I14–3) – U (I14–1) Below 135 mΩ at 20C

    Apply the formula given below to correct the resistance.
    R20 = Rt / (1 + 0.00393 × (T – 20))
    R20: Resistance converted to 20 C (mΩ)
    Rt: Resistance between measured lines (mΩ)
    T: Ambient air temperature during measurement (C)
    (f) Calculate the difference between the maximum and minimum resistance between terminals U – V, V – W, and W
    – U.
    Standard: Below 2 mΩ

    The temperature coefficient is used for calculation accuracy due to the fact that the measured resistance differs at different temperatures.
     
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    I have all that information, it's the formula that I don't understand. I wanted someone to maybe explain how to solve it, or point me in the direction of being able to learn this. Instead of just using chat gpt to solve it for me. I haven't solved a math equation like this in 20 years.
     
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    R20 = Rt / (1 + 0,00393 × (T – 20))
    R20=128.4/(1+0,00393× (17-20))=128.4/(1+0,00393× (-3))=128.4/(1-0,01179)=129.93
     
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    Apparently, I'm missing something. This question seems short on information. Like the formula you're asking someone to explain? Or does everyone here have the flow chart of P0A94 / 555 for 2005 Prius sitting in front of them? Maybe I just don't understand the question.....

    Feels something like: There's a formula on page 92 of the 2005 edition of Encyclopedia Britanica. My result was 82.5 !!
    Can you explain the math behind it?
     
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    As Max demonstrated above, this isn't really calling on you to do much to 'solve' it. It is already arranged so that R20, the thing you don't know, is all by itself on the left of the = sign, so just take the Rt that you measured and the T at the time you measured it, plug those in where indicated on the right, do the arithmetic, and what you get is R20.
     
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    I was confused because of the crosshair symbol after the RT on the original formula. I've never seen that in school or anywhere else used in math. So I was like... the **** do I do with that.

    *edit.. for some reason this forum wont allow the crosshair symbol to be posted
     
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