MPG. Can you beat this???

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by yvairguy, Feb 6, 2025 at 1:39 AM.

  1. yvairguy

    yvairguy Junior Member

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    Fuel economy is so bad I'm ready to add some gas cans... 25k ago I did plugs, air filter, cleaned the injectors, cleaned the MAF... Tripped the maintenance flag this trip plan on doing all that again as well as new front suspension. Fuel economy is depressing to say the least. I make a regular 1500 mile round trip every month or two and have for almost 30 years. I can no longer make it to my regular fill up stations. I nearly ran out of fuel on the highway today because I just wasn't thinking. Ideas?
     

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    Just to save others squinting at the pic, it indicates average mpg as 27.2.

    which is pretty bad, and calculated will likely be worse, by about 7% (Toyota is prone to exaggerate with that display). With 2nd gen, 40~45 (calculated) is the norm I think.

    how long has it been thus, and has it been better in past?
     
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    Please don't aim parts cannon at car. If there's no CEL - dragging brakes, bad/intermittent MAF, O2 sensor, clogged engine air filter, or ECT sensor. The sensor(s) is sending false data to the ECU making the car run rich. BTW, this condition will shorten the life of the CAT.
    You need someone with a scan tool capable of looking at the fuel trims and raw sensor data to determine what's wrong - other than dragging brakes, of course.

    Good Luck....
     
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    When was the last time you changed the engine oil?

    What brand of oil do you use?

    What is the current oil level?
     
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    Hows the engine power? Car struggling. Breaks dragging? Tires low?
    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    His last postings, from 2022, are about hybrid battery deterioration.
     
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    That would do it. The traction battery gauge would indicate a faster than 'normal' discharge and recharge cycles. If the car was driven like a tortoise, you can avoid the traction battery CEL. Just because there are no CELs, doesn't mean that the car is running properly or as designed....

    YMMV
     
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    I did all the back maintenance when I bought the car, there were a lot of issues and it needed a lot of love. It's not really a parts cannon scenario... When I bought the car there was a set of copper core plug on the floorboard so i installed those. I have a new set of iridium plugs to go in and the plan was the next maintenance after 200k, which is where I'm at. I also have my own injector cleaner so I'll do them as I'm basically already there. The car has an aftermarket CAT and the I've had the PO420 code for most of the time I've had the car. never affected fuel economy. The code has now cleared itself.
     
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    On my 2nd oil change of Valvoline restore and protect. Seems to be quieter and oil consumption is much better. I'm thinking about half as much, it's due now, I'll keep track this next oil change.
     
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    Seems to be fine otherwise. I just drove from Utah to SoCal. speed limit in Utah is 80, NV 75 and Ca 70. Of course the faster you drive the lower the MPG however this has dropped way off.

    Of course the ICE is working way more than the battery.
     
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    Battery was replaced.
     
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    Dragging brakes will always generate excess heat.
     
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    When the aftermarket cat was installed, what sensors were used? How long after the cat install did the dtc showup? I read the code is gone now, how did that happen?
     
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    the aftermarket CAT was installed before I bought it. it start throwing a code within a few thousand miles of me getting it up and running. I could clear it and it would be gone for a week or more, then only for a day or two and then I just stopped clearing it for well over a year now. Idk exactly why the code cleared itself, my guess is that the CAT got hot enough to clear the code. I’ve only been back in town for a day and the code has not returned, but I suspect it will.
     
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    You simply need a better OBD2 scanner. The defective component(s) just isn't out of specs. far enough to trip the CEL. You can just keep driving it like that until it does trip the CEL, but expect your mileage to get worse or could even get you stranded somewhere or damage something - depending how critical that component is.
    Did you replace the upstream or down stream sensor for that P0420 code?

    YMMV
     
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    only thing I did was do one of the downstream plug fowler hacks when I started driving it and it was throwing the PO420 code. it helped for a time. Whoever put the replacement cat, they did a poor welding job. I had intended to pic up an Amazon CAT one day when I'm out of California. Should do the oil and tune up by Monday... guess I'll see if that helps at all.
     
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    It seems very odd that your MPG can be that poor and not trigger a code. Apparently, the car thinks everything is normal.
    27mpg is about what I've always gotten while my various Gen 2s were warming up after initial start. I wonder if your car is never getting out of the warmup cycle.

    Does the heat work properly?
    Do you have a scan tool that will show engine temperature?
    Have you done anything that could affect coolant temp or temp indication?
     
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    I actually have a pretty decent OBD2 reader but I was traveling when this happened. I'll be checking all that when I do the tune up
     
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    I don't want to get into all I've done battery wise DrPrius app shows good battery, but the battery does show an out of range cell, at least compared to all the other cells. I suspect it could be that but I have told it's not, the battery looks healthy. I've seen and calculated as much as 52 MPG in this car. Then did some other "things" and was solid at 42/43 and it's slowly slid down to what I have now 27. One of the reasons I want to remove every other possible issues. again I was planning on doing plugs and such as I got a bunch of parts when advance auto was shutting down a location and bought parts for all my vehicles. At 90% off retail it might be a bit of a "parts cannon" approach but I had planned on doing EVRYTHING it needed at 200K which is where I'm at right now.
     
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    Those copper-core plugs you mentioned will be only good for 20,000 miles at best. It might be interesting to see what they look like now. Replacing them with iridium (genuine NKG or Denso) probably would show a significant benefit.

    I'm not sure of your hybrid vehicle (HV) battery timeline, but if that was a while ago when you took the measurements you mentioned, it is very likely that that will need some work now.

    Other than that, I don't notice anything much else to comment on.