Number crunching

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  1. Salamander_King

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    Yeah, real-world performance is likely to have multiple factors affecting the power output, not just temperature coefficient spec of the panels. Nonetheless, it would be very nice to be able to tell the loss (or gain) of power generation is due to temperature or something else. My panel has 25 years efficiency loss warranty, but I am a bit skeptical any manufacturer actually honer such claims ever. I will have to ask for warranty documents on my system to read the small prints, but how can an owner demonstrate such loss of efficiency over years?
     
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    "how can an owner demonstrate such loss of efficiency over years?" With the handheld photon counter discussed here earlier would be one way.
     
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    Certainly I will keep record of Daily Light Integral (DLI) and total kWh generated from the system for that day and hand calculate the production efficiency. But I wonder what percentage of owners would have such device and keep the record over the span of warranty period? I wish efficiency of the panel is displayed somewhere in the built-in data logging capability. I have not found such functionality on my PV system.

    And even if I can demonstrate generation efficiency loss by comparing kWh/DLI, it does not take into account for temperature difference. So that means, I would also need to keep record of daily temperature.

    There maybe more factors that affect power generation. So, it would be easy for a manufacturer to deny even a legit warranty claims, I would think.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    IMO, you can only keep track of your monthly and yearly production and file a claim if you have a drastic failure of some kind.
    Because weather variations and how clean the panels are completely mask a few percentage difference of any kind

    Mike
     
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    I agree. It would be up to the manufacturer and the installer to horner warranty claims. I wonder if there is any data on success rate on such warranty claims. In any case, it seems such a uphill battle if solar panel owner wants to make any claims. On top of it, I am very skeptical of my solar installer and manufacturer will be around 25 years later. I'm glad I didn't go with SunPower, though the panels are still being sold under spin off company Maxeon.