Featured EV and winter tests posted

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by mikefocke, Jan 17, 2025 at 1:37 PM.

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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    It's not just freezing temperatures, but it's typically combined with ice & snow & snow tires Dynamics
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Looks like they are comparing WLTP to road tests. WLTP is better than NEDC, but still optimistic. For that Model 3, it is 20% better than its EPA rating. Most of those cars will see a loss with summer testing.
     
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    I go from a high in the best weather of about 6 miles per kWh, to about 4 in the worst weather around here.
    Bolt has electrically heated cabin coolant, which sucks up the juice, but the heated seats and steering wheel help minimize it.
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    I wonder what the price difference is between Tesla and polestar similarly equipped to get the same winter range and much better summer range for the Tesla
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The models tested aren't a like comparison. The Polestar 3 is a SUV in the Model Y's class. The Polestar 3's WLTP rating is very close to its EPA; 348 to 350 miles. They must be under selling it from the actual WLTP results. The Model Y is 337 miles.

    The range of the Model 3 the article tested on the WLTP is 436 and 363 on the EPA. It went 330 miles on the winter test, or a 9% reduction from EPA. The Polestar 2's EPA range is just 254.

    The winter test more shows how poorly the WLTP can represent what an owner can achieve. I suspect it doesn't have a cold or hot cycle like the EPA does. it also shows which manufacturers acknowledge the WLTP's failings in their official published ranges.

    The Polestars are $30k+ more than the Teslas in the US. They aren't efficient BEVs, and have bigger batteries.
     
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    Temperature is a problem. But preconditioning with a scheduled departure time works great:
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    I've been seeing an estimated range on road trips of about 200-210 miles. Let the grid heat the battery and cabin.

    My 2017 BMW i3-REx sees similar loss of EV range but a warm day, and back to normal.

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