SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. tochatihu

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    H5N1 bird flu is making slow progress. Media gets clicks for staying up top of the story as best they know how.





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    This situation is being watched quite closely and vaccine designers might be waiting to see details they ought to design against. It would be unfortunate if governmental transitions interfere with Public Health.
     
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    Timely, at least three Alabama schools are closed due to excessive respiratory infections:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    i read that some places are checking milk.

    son and grandsons had hand, foot & mouth disease recently
     
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    FYI, 2% pasteurized milk has lower glucose than whole milk … Heating to 165 F denatures bugs and preservatives aeromatics (flavors.)

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    i've drunk nonfat milk most of my life. i'm not short on fat, unfortunately :oops:
     
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    I spent my youthful summers in rural Michigan. The whole milk there was what we call "half&half" now. A lot of butterfat.

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    Being married, I got that too
    Father-in-law drinks buttermilk. I gag at the site of any liquid that has lumps in it.
     
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    It's fine. I was thinking it was a human form of hoof and mouth disease, but it is unrelated.

    A professor would regularly tell us that the money is in the fat.

    Milk from the teat has more fat than what qualifies for whole milk on the shelf. That varies by state, but whole milk is around 3.25%. Holsteins generally produce milk in the 4% to 5% range, while Jerseys are at 6% to 7%. I am sure breeding programs are working to push those up.
     
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    "I am sure breeding programs are working to push those up." They may be. What I am sure of is breeding for total volume production is a goal.
     
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    Classified State Department Documents Credibly Suggest COVID-19 Lab Leak, Wenstrup Pushes for Declassification - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

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    It is appropriate for Oversight Committee to explore these possibilities. Some of the linked classified documents are set to be declassified in 2045 and 2046, and may see the light of day sooner. Until they do, we can only trust that people who read them will act in America's non-partisan interests.

    A non-partisan Oversight Committee would also assess the genomic evidence that argues against lab leak. So it seems to me.

    Possibly beyond this Committee's scope would be to apply lessons learned to proaction when another dangerous zooinotic virus emerges. That may be where* most benefits arise.

    *where - correctly I should say whence but that seems hoity toity.
     
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    It would be a much better world if new dangerous zooinotic viruses only came from research labs with evil intentions. I'm not joking. Because someone could make boom on the evil labs. Prevention.

    In this world, new dangerous zooinotic viruses appear from:

    Human encroachment on wildland interfaces,
    Humans densely housing food animals,
    Humans densely housing themselves, and
    Viruses exchanging DNA and RNA amongst themselves for possible 'benefits' as they have done for uncountable years (but it's billions).

    If Covid-19 was uniquely from an evil research lab, well that would be shit. We would ALL want no others to do like that. So we would do ... something. AND YET we would not shoot our feet (ourselves) and disable all viral disease research, because we understand where or risks arise.

    If Covid-19 had unique origin (among zooinotics), that ought to be known. Whether Oversight Committee above is big brained for that, I have no idea. If they merely rerun 1882 (study it out), meh. We should let the DOGE out :)

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    We have had such a long and interesting discussion here! Including too little maybe about protecting humanity from zooinotic viruses, whilst we plow the fields on their behalf.
     
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    Self reflection. 2020 Jan 26 I started this thread. Don't remember why so slow, and can[t defend my early wandering posts. I did all things as y'all did. Soft lockdowns, less time in public, personal spacing, masks, many infection tests, and (FINALLY) when foreigners were allowed to receive domestic weak-nice person vaccinations, those.

    With all that I got not Covid, I think. Maybe RSV because I share lodging with a 6-yr-old who 'transmits' more eloquently than he speaks.

    In sleepy Kunming, many I know fell to Covid but not fatally. After everything was thrown open, I was on the streets and saw old people, and I thought "so good you are not dead".

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    I started this thread, but all y'all made it useful and informative.
     
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    I invite readers to imagine how any government might modify any pre-bad virus to harm other (enemy) countries. With aimed net result favoring the home team. No tome limit! Think broadly. Having done, consider if:

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2760500
    The First 50 days of COVID-19: A Detailed Chronological Timeline and Extensive Review of Literature Documenting the Pandemic - PMC

    matches any plan you might imagine. If not, only two conclusions are possible:

    This most-feared country is a stumble-bum, or
    They did not 'do it'.
     
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    Is it spelled that way somewhere? A color / colour thing?
     
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    If they DID come out with a "vaccine" for this bird flu, how many of you would rush out to get it? Gosh, I saw one guy who posted he's had 7 Covid shots, yearly flu shots, and, yet has had Covid 3 times and currently has the flu and is "losing my trust in these vaccines"

    Ya think??? After reading of the $100 Billion in profit the big drug companies made off the the china flu jabs, and then suppressing the VAERs data (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting), why would ANYBODY trust these "vaccines?"

    -If you get the vaccine, you won't catch covid....a lie
    -If you get the vaccine, you won't be able to spread it if you DO catch it....a lie
    -The shot is safe and effective....a lie
    -If you don't get the shot, you are killing people....a lie

    Glad common sense is making a comeback.