Featured 2025 Toyota bZ4X BEV Electrifies with Lower Price and New Nightshade Edition

will it be enough? these things are depreciating like crazy

 

Nice information, but they are $45K+, so best case is $39K + tax, license, doc. I don't think it's eligible for the $7.5K federal tax break.

I'm seeing low mileage used around $27K or less. Less than 10K miles.
2023 Toyota bZ4X Limited for sale in San Bruno, CA - CARFAX

 

Hertz sold a bunch of Solterras. Last time I looked there were some below 25k, which qualifies for the $4000 tax break if applicable. Those are all awd.
Also Mercedes, tesla, and others, steeply off msrp with very low miles.

 

when i looked last summer, they wouldn't budge off of msrp. now they are available at 50% off with low miles.
tesla aren't even close to that

 

$27K BEFORE the new price drops.
How low will the used market now go ?!?
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If it's anything like the 2024 version it's gonna be an unpopular joke of Toyota over-design run amok. Most embarrassing of all is what they have under the hood.

As in Toyota's EV competitors offer an empty cargo space under the hood and Toyota on the hand offers way too many components in an overly complicated design that's problably got way more parts that can fail then other EV makers that have actually been trying to build EVs for past decade.

I'm embarassed for Toyota looking like they're so far behind in EV design they can't build a simple elegant chassis with the drivetrain embedded in it rather than requiring an engine compartment that no other EV maker requires. It makes no sense!

I mean look at what's under the hood in a 2024:

 

Same old rhetoric being posted. Fortunately, some of us keep a clear head focused on useful priorities and recognize Toyota's history being followed. Their subtle approach of continuous improvement serves them well. Remember the third year of Prius here?

It was about making the vehicle better for their dealers, the true customer when it comes to breaking status quo. That means targeting cost reduction, rather than listening to "competitive" arguments from enthusiasts. Being able to lower price is key.

You can tell this really rubs those with the "more" mentality the wrong way... since their claims just 2 years ago was that Toyota would have a strong seller if somehow price could be lowered. In true hypocritical fashion, they are now running away from their own words.

Know your audience.

 

Problem is, $5,000 $6,000 price reduction (due to poor sales, evidence by months of inventory) still doesn't match the price point versus features of other similar EV manufacturer offerings.
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What? Not in EVs! Rather than continuous improvement over the past 10 years they've instead refused to even start while arguing that people only want hybrids, not EVs. And here we are after a decade of that nonsense they're finally trying to compete with other EV makers and are barely into their second year of building a true mass produced EV outside of China, while all the experts who have reviewed the bz4x have said it's woefully behind other EV offerings by almost every measure.

 

There it is... short-term thinking and a misunderstanding of audience... history repeating.

 

What do you think of the auto reviews of your bz4x? Do you tend to agree, or value it more? Also what's your current EV range in your Minnesota Winter that no doubt gets you using the vehicle heater? Also, speaking of heaters, is the battery pack easy to keep warm?

 

John's logic is in danger of imploding. Le sigh.

First of all, the customers are the people who buy the cars. The dealers just want to move the damn things off their lot. Lowering the price helps them move this turd of a car. It is just not competitive.

And second, even with the lower price it's not competitive. It just doesn't stack up against the Hyundai / Kia offerings, let alone the equinox or the bolt which is coming back next year.

It's okay to admit what we all kind of know, Toyota screwed the pooch. The question is, can they course correct?

 

Looking at the bigger picture all evs are going to be turds while the buyer of a new Tacoma likely won’t be having any issues and can keep driving it like when new.

 

If they knock a few thousand more off .... it may do okay - being an EV with ho hum range - ho hum charge speed & lots of plastic inside.
Even so - this EV is a HUGE HUGE improvement over Toyotas earlier EV offerings - one was under the Scion division (a belly up division because failed to know their audienc) the 2013 iQ EV.
Talk about not knowing their audience .... it's range was even more horrible (iirc in the 40 miles-ish range ... maybe even 50 if you coasted it empty into a charge station driving really slow for its entire charge). This fail was so bad they decided not to even sell them ... the few hundred they brought into the USA, would only be available by lease. Their original EV's - RAV 4's gen 1 & 2 were much much better.
When it comes to making an electric car, how can anyone say toyo knows their audience

2024 Toyota Tacoma Rear Axle Recall Update - The Lemon Law Experts

Every single manufacturer makes its share of turds on occasion. Sometimes over 300,000 on occasion
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Speaking of the excuse, "Toyota makes little incremental changes" does anyone know if Toyota has made an "incremental change" on the bz4X's ability to even charge AT ALL - when attempting to charge in sub zero freezing weather? According to Toyota;

2024 Toyota bZ4X Loses Base Model, Improves Cold-Weather Charging - The Car Guide
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What did they do to lower the price? Toyota has admitted that their choice in design and production costs more than competitor BEVs using dedicated BEV platforms. This isn't a redesign, nor from continuous improvement. Just a shuffling of features between standard and optional, and an appearance package. This is a price cut into their profits, because the old price brought upon comparisons to better performing BEVs and lost sales.

Meanwhile, GM making such price reductions to the Bolt wasn't a sign of them improving.

Some major issues in the new Tacoma, and it is probably time for rust issues to happen again.

The iQ wasn't even available for lease. The first and only shipment went to ride shares and fleets.
Then the second Rav4 EV wasn't even done by Toyota.

 

I was going to say how their primary audience is Japan, but apparently not, at least so far:



Source: Toyota bZ4X - Wikipedia

Interesting, that they've sold next to none in Japan.

With the new car inventory at our nearby dealership, there's often a glut bz4x, and smattering of pickup trucks. One or two of something else. Currently:



^ Looks like what bowlers call "bed posts", the two extremes of mpg spectrum predominate, not much in the middle.

 

There are high hopes for Toyota making a great electric car within a couple years or so. Their new leadership will likely NOT be trying to stuff all things electric into their existing TNGA platform - designed more for ICE vehicles.

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