Featured Global Recognition Award

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    Toyota has moved on to Lithium Ion batteries in their electrified vehicles. i guess, in a sense, they "redefined" an old, almost obsolete, technology. Most toyota Hybrids, starting with the 2016 Prius, uae Li-Ion. Some early low end trims still used Ni-MH.
     
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    Always be wary when "About Us" never actually says anything about the company or its people.
     
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    The Global Recognition Award is something that anyone can apply for.

    The GlobalRecognitionAwards.org website is owned and operated by Review Rumble Ltd, a company validly incorporated in the British Virgin Islands (BVI 2008725). See the terms and condition page on the website: Terms and Conditions

    They are a marketing and publicity company that you pay for. See the following links:
    Award Amplifier ; Global Recognition Awards
    Professional Package
    Confirming Your Win In Writing
    Optional Upgrades



    From the research I have done, it is not much of an award. It is more a way to get publicity for your company and something you can use to promote your company.

    So it looks like Jack bought the "Business Insider Bundle" for $820

    Here is a review from the website TrustPilot.com:
    Jack Williams
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    Numerous red flags.
    Strange that this business has only received 5-star reviews on here, many of which sound suspiciously alike. The same goes for the Google reviews, three of which are basically identical in structure and content. I submitted a client for one award and heard back in a little over 24 hours--that doesn't indicate a particularly rigorous selection process to me. After doing a bit more research, I also found a Reddit post in which the author explains that they were charged an $800 applicant fee after being accepted as a judge. This is not especially surprising considering that the email I was sent reads "Winning a Global Recognition Award is entirely free; however, we do have some upgrades starting that you might like to consider," before listing a series of paid publicity opportunities ranging from a $110 winning certificate to $1000+ placements in media outlets. Within the following week, I got two more emails pushing for me to promote and showcase the award. Kind of feels like they will give one to basically anybody who applies and then ask for money to promote it--not the kind of publicity that seems in any way helpful or credible for my clients. I'm curious to see whether anyone else has had a similar experience.

    UPDATE, Dec. 13, 2024: I see they have replied. The process did not take months for my client--it took less than 36 hours. I should also note that the $3000 Forbes bundle, which you can see on the "Pricing/Optional Upgrades" page on the site, explicitly mentions that it only guarantees publication in the Swiss edition of Forbes. The email that they sent me further clarifies that they can secure a guaranteed article in Forbes, "usually on one of their international sites, like Switzerland, Georgia, Israel, Mexico, or Colombia." Not particularly helpful for a US-based business.

    I should also note more generally that the "optional" features that they offer in order to subsidize their "many staff" come to seem fairly essential when the only thing you receive for winning an award is an email that does not serve you in any way. If you want the win to look even minimally legitimate, you are going to have to go for the upgrades.

    I put "many staff" in scare quotes because their website does not feature any pictures or even mentions of any founders or key members of the company, and the "Contact Us" page takes you directly to the submission form rather than providing any team members' email address. If they hope to secure a greater modicum of trust then I would hope for more transparency on their site.
     
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    I'm curious why so much effort is being made to "improve" something OEM that doesn't need improving. Just build an aftermarket NiMH battery that will bolt right in and no worries about chemistry/controller mismatch. Demand would still be huge for a well priced replacement, especially if it's reliable enough to last as long as OEM. I don't understand why anyone puts mismatched chemistry batteries in their car. Would you put diesel in your gas tank?
     
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    Who says it doesn't need improving? If it fails at around 200k miles or every 12 to 15 years, it still fails. If one could make one that's better and never fails, or lasts two or three times that time, that would be awesome. There are also temperature constraints on NiMH chemistry. Recently my car will just idle even if I turn the heater off. I believe that's because it's been down below 0 °F most of the day and getting way down past -20 °F most nights. A battery that isn't affected by the cold like that would be nice.

    I would like more variety, including a decent NiMH aftermarket battery. But so far I have more faith in a mismatched chemistry battery from Jack, be it LFP or Sodium, than the aftermarket NiMH batteries out there. Prove me wrong, but I haven't seen an aftermarket NiMH battery last more than 3 years.
    Electricity is electricity. Toyota's NiMH battery management systems don't hardly manage much more than voltage and amperage. As long as the chemistry falls withing the voltage and amperage limits of the car's BMS, I don't see why there's anything to worry about. It's not at all like putting diesel in a gas tank. It's like putting electricity of such and such amperage and voltage in a circuit expecting such and such amperage and voltage.

    Sure, there are lot of purists on here that swear up and down that wrong chemistries will cause the car to suddenly die, catch on fire, melt, explode, turn into a black hole and cause Armageddon to come, but so far I haven't ever heard of such a thing. As someone who works a lot with electronics and different battery types it makes little sense to me to write off battery chemistries out of this unfounded fear of mismatched chemistries.

    If you don't know if the voltages and currents are going to work or not, then don't mix. But if you've done your research, then what's the problem?
     
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    "If you've done your research" is the key.

    If you start by looking around and noticing (1) Toyota builds NiMH batteries using a simple BMS that only takes voltage samples every twelve cells, but (2) the Li batteries from Toyota and other serious players come with an every-single-cell BMS, then if you've "done your research", that should have included posing the question "what is different about the physics of these different chemistries that calls for such different BMS approaches?". And perhaps asking the friendly neighborhood reference librarian, because it isn't the kind of cutting-edge unanswered question that calls for original research.
     
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    The only award that counts are given by customers:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    Hi @Brian1954 ,

    Thank you for the research, luckily we got approached by the organizer after the Munich show and didn't need to pay a penny for the award, thanks again for letting me know.

    Best,
    Jack

     
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    Hi @Hayslayer,

    Our aim is to develop an alternative battery solution priced in the low $1,000 range, offering long-lasting performance, improved MPG, and made from non-toxic materials. While lithium-ion batteries only partially meet these goals, sodium-ion chemistry is proving to be a promising solution, bringing us closer to achieving them.

    Best Regards,
    Jack

     
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    Well, NiMH costs more than Li-ion and Na-ion; it uses more nickel. Toyota only stuck with it for so long cause they made large investments into it early on that allowed them to have a lower cost than other car companies, let alone little businesses.

    Then a Li-ion or Na-ion pack allows more usable battery capacity in the spot the NiMH pack sits it. That improves efficiency and performance.

    Different chemistries have different cell voltages. A NiMH BMS will think Li-ion cell is full before it actually is. May not harm a li-ion to run it like that, but you give up using the full capacity of the replacement battery doing so. You also leave capacity unused going with the NiMH BMS 40% to 80% SOC range. Li-ion can safely do 20% to 80%.

    Since Toyota doesn't share the code for the car, using another chemistry requires a BMS for that pack that can also trick the Prius computer into thinking it's a NiMH one.
     
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    Hi Jack,

    Have you had any market success with solar roof providers?

    The reason I ask is I'm spending about $60,000 on a 6 kW (~$10/watt) solar roof system that includes a battery. The battery buffers the peak daily solar and releases it when the solar panels produce less than I need. As I explained to them, I do not want to sell any excess electrons to the utility company at $0.05/kWh while they charge me $0.12/kWh.

    I am ambivalent about your technology unless you have a drop-in pack replacement for my 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus. After 143,000 miles and nearly 6 years, the range is down ~87%.

    You might contact the engineers at Solar Alternatives, New Orleans, who may want to restock the inventory I am drawing down.

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    I am a little confused. Who is the organizer that you are talking about. The owner or salesperson for the Global Recognition Award, or the organizer of the Munich show?

    I did not say that you paid anything for the "Award". Right on their website, it says that the "Award" is free. Winners of the "Award" are notified by email. It looks to me like the email is the only thing that you receive for free.

    You received the crystal trophy with your company's name on it and a Business Insider Announcement. Are you saying that you did not pay for them?

    How did you find out about the Glogal Recognition Award? Did you apply, or did someone else apply for you?
     
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    Which is why you don't see any Li-ion to Na-ion conversion kits. It would take a lot more spoofing.

    Very true that there it's going to be pretty hard to find a battery that will fit the voltage parameters perfectly. But then again, that doesn't mean it won't work. Pros and cons. From what I've seen, though, at least with 5-cell LFP's replacing the 12-cell NiMH's, the voltage limits of Toyota hybrids actually use more capacity out of the LFP's.

    Exactly. Or a battery that will tolerate the voltages and currents the Toyota BMS will demand and put on a balancing/safety-shut-off BMS on the battery.
     
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    Maybe re-read your post Brian?

    Your point was it was a fake award that was purchased for PR purposes and now that Jack clarified that he paid nothing and was in fact invited to participate at no cost you claim you're confused? Do you really need help understanding with more questions or are you just fishing for answers to sustain your negativity attempt?

    Stop making your "confusion" more important than all Jack's hard work to keep old Prius on the road in an affordable way that uses the least environmentally harmful battery chemistry in a fast approaching future.

    And to clarify/help address your "confusion" the Business Insider coverage likely was purchased by the operation giving out the award as a press release and thus was not listed (no follow) for search engines because Business Insider has integrity too.

    But tell me more about how an effort of people who give out awards for vehicle battery advancement somehow lacks credibility because of impropriety in how they invest in press release distribution services that don't show up in search engines as original content but as no follow to clarify its paid-promotional integrity?

    Please stop conflating and harassing rather than wanting to learn more about/meaningfully participating in the future of battery power innovations for vehicles that don't create more harmful lithium mines!
     
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    Capacity isn't determined by just voltage, but also amperage, which is a factor of the cell's physical size. Use the same number, but bigger, of NiMH cells, and you will get more capacity. The amperage will also change with the chemistry. So the LFP example can start with more total capacity, which leads to more available capacity under the car's system parameters. That still means the system isn't accessing all the capacity the LFP can safely provide.

    They don't give out rewards for battery advancement. They give out awards in excellence for
    • Leadership
    • Service
    • Research
    • Innovation
    • Teaching
    • Mentoring
    • Artistic Accomplishment
    You choose any number of those when you apply to them. Global Recognition Awards™ | A Competitive Edge For Business

    Then you win or not. While they do cover their methodology some, they don't appear to disclose who else was considered. Not even a number. Appears getting listed on their site is an additional fee. Innovative Companies Finalists & Winners 2024 • Global Recognition Awards™ GRA has 7 to 8 categories, and selected at least 13 winners for 2024.
     
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    This thread was created about the "Award" that Nexpower Energy received. I never heard of a "Global Recognition Award" before. The "Award" sound very impressive. I had some time yesterday to do some research and learn about it. After I did my research, I wrote about what I found in Post #5. I did not say that the award was "fake". It is a real award issued by the owner of the globalrecognitionawards.org website ( which is owned by Review Rumble Ltd). They are a marketing/publicity services company. My post is only about the "Award". It has nothing to do with Jack's business or trying to hurt Jack. I personally hope that Jack is successful with his replacement Hybrid battery. The more choices there are, the better it is for the consumer.

    The only thing that Jack said in his reply in post #10 is "didn't need to pay a penny for the award". And my reply in post # 14 was "I did not say that you paid anything for the "Award". Right on their website, it says that the "Award" is free." I them asked the question "You received the crystal trophy with your company's name on it and a Business Insider Announcement. Are you saying that you did not pay for them?" I would like Jack to personally answer that question. So I will wait for his reply.

    Personally, I believe that the "Award" is bogus or a sham. Have you ever seen a legitimate "Award" where the recipient needs to pay $110 to obtain an award certificate with their name on it? Look at this link: Optional Upgrades
    Why can't you find any of the "upgrades and pricing" pages that I linked to in post #5 anywhere on the globalrecognitionawards.org website? Why is there not a complete list of all the winners of the award on the website?

    Go to the Business Insiders website and do a search for "2024 Global Recognition Award". What do you find? I found 2,010 hits.
    Here is the link to the search I did: https://markets.businessinsider.com/searchresults?_search=2024 Global Recognition Award&_type=&cx=008323877780643863910:k1fnb9tpqqw&miRedirects=1&q=2024 Global Recognition Award

    Here is one of the hits that came up:
    Pampered Bee Earns a 2024 Global Recognition Award for Excellence in Organic Baby Care

    There are 2,010 "2024 Global Recognition Award announcements listed on the Business Insider website so far this year. So, there are a minimum of 2,010 "Awards" giving out this year. Does this sound like it is a legitimate award to you?

    I hope Jack comes back and answers my questions in post #14.
     
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    So is it the amount of awards given out a year that makes them bogus?

    This reminds me of how they pay for their own Hollywood stars.

    Winners of game shows that win cars/trucks/boats have to pay taxes on that.

    So does that mean the game is bogus and they just got a really good deal to be on TV?
     
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